I'll give the Pimm's a try, but the bartender should be standing by to give me a Bahama mama quick.
Even my own hometown is not totally immune from hate crimes. http://wgntv.com/2017/06/19/suburban-deli-target-of-hate-crime/ I know where the place is, but I've never gone in. I occasionally go to the McDonald's in front of it if I'm leaving town in that direction.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
It is sadly a sign of our times. Why does religion cause so much angst??
The original Gin sling was invented by the Singapore Raffles Hotel 100 years ago, but Pimms is still called that although it is more of an alcoholic (25% ABV) fruit punch, traditionally served in England with little umbrellas in it.
Another aspect of the Grenfell Tower fire that I wondered whether or not would surface.
Labour MP for Kensington, Emma Dent Coad, told BBC's Radio 4 that she had heard "countless reports" of people who had lost their homes in the fire now sleeping rough. People "are too scared to come forward because of worries over their immigration status", she added.
The authorities know that there are numbers of people whose Visas etc have expired and are living below the radar. They also don't sign the electoral roll, although required to do so by law.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
.... that's MUCH different than what the National News was implying with their reporting right after the incident the other night!! I wonder if that is how 'fake news' gets started....sloppy fact checkers stopping at the first fact they find?
If you have half an hour then watch this short documentary on TV news production from about twenty years ago. It outlines why the urge to fodder feed the masses ( literally the bloke in the pub ) with quick nibbles leads to deliberate factual mashing, and compares with a spoof news show from the 1990s. Note that this is presented & accepted by the ( alleged ) paragon of truth : the BBC ie. this is how they teach their newbies. The example given was a straightforward weather story but imagine how far more critical the spin would be for just about any topic of greater social import. Note how the BBC news training lady genuinely believes she is not editorialising ( trying to swing opinion by non-factual input ) by this production process. Note how the key metric was to fit a narrative flow, any narrative really, to a time interval. They actually don't realise ( or confront/defeat ) their own biases which are deeply embedded in their methods ! The most glaring omission to any self reflection they may have is the obvious editorial technique of not mentioning something at all ! It's almost as if they have given up on trying to be real in order to achieve the goal of popular consumption. :-)
That's the outstanding problem with group think & echo chambers : because of the severe penalties for variance you only compare with intellectual copies of yourself, thus all seems well. The huddles only get tighter with time. So if you then fast forward to present day this explains the existence of the very many alternate universe bubbles like CNN etc that we face. They think in terms of the myths they present and this is a self-reinforcing loop. Instead of creating a clever narrative ( aka propaganda ) which they want to be lauded for, they wind up out-faking themselves ie. liars need good memories as eventually the inherent contradictions with reality are displayed. So for sure they really hate Donald - you'd have to live under a mountain of rock to have missed that theme - but that doesn't forgive/enable any memetic vomit that reaches that conclusion ( however correct that may be ). Likewise for FOX, say, which merely yields the obverse imprint ( though less overtly panic stricken ). The means is not the same as the ends, alas recorded history abounds with tragedy when they are confounded. It is notthe case that : IF I like what I hear THEN it must true ( this is called confirmation bias ). This is why I believe pretty well nothing about what I see on TV, in fact I no longer waste my mortal coil on it. { read this post again after you have seen the doco }
Confirmation bias is a huge risk in medical practice. It is one of those things that one has to eternally guard against because it is default human behaviour ie. requires ongoing effort to prevent/escape. That risk is mostly borne by the patient. It is often said that a good doctor makes the diagnosis as the patient walks into the room ( ? Dr House ? ). This is twaddle. What happens is the appearance of the patient - and we are trained to notice things - triggers a memory of some prior interaction which in all likelihood is factually unrelated. With the ageing of the doctor this happens with higher frequency. Karl Popper talked of this as 'crystallized intelligence', a more-or-less polite way of saying he/she is in a rut. 'Intuition' is another disguised poison. It is OK for the doctor to remember past experience - we do learn by that - but that at most is merely a guide to probabilities. Every time you MUST go and measure/test to include/exclude possibilities.
As for hate crimes I reckon we all have this stupidity shaped space inside us that may be invaded by some evil vapours that condense and take malignant form.
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
I haven't watched the program yet, it took me enough time to digest what you wrote in the first place :-)
Karl Popper talked of this as 'crystallized intelligence', a more-or-less polite way of saying he/she is in a rut.
But there is a difference between being genuinely in a rut, by not moving with the times, keeping abreast of public opinion, being open to new ideas etc; and being prepared to stand by and defend your long held principles and beliefs.
What drives the media whether TV or Press is simple, MONEY. They are not in it out of the goodness of their hearts, they have a living to earn it's as simple as that. The UK ITV television is sponsored by advertisements that pay their way. If they don't broadcast provocative stuff people won't watch, therefore advertisers won't pay to promote their products. For decades the BBC was held up as an unbiased organisation funded by the TV licence fees. Sadly no longer these days and that is the honest truth. Probably Reuters is one of the few left that just tell the news as it is, letting others put their spin on it.
The newspaper industry is a cut-throat business to survive particularly amongst the Tabloids, specifically so between the Mail and the Express over here, both fighting tooth and nail for each others readership. The Sheeple will go into a shop and see all the papers laid out on a rack. It is human nature to be drawn to the one with the shock horror front page headline. Often there will be a little note "please turn to page 5", then there will be a half column about some insignificant event. Too late you've parted with your money and bought it. Yes you've been duped, but in turning to page 5 you have likely subliminally passed the adverts along the way. Brain washing? Of course it is!
Sheeple are easily manipulated. Take supermarkets for example. Pink light tubes over meat counters to make the meat look redder and more attractive to buy, all the sweets and chocolates by the tills so that irritable kids after an hours shopping can be bribed to stop whining. After a few trips people suss the layout of the store and can complete their shop in half the time. So they regularly change the layout so you have to go along every aisle to find what you want. Of course you are likely to make impulse buys of "special offers" (which aren't) along the way. Its all a big con to part you with your money!
It is not the case that : IF I like what I hear THEN it must true ( this is called confirmation bias ).
Well Mike, you and I know that, but it is human nature to mix in social surroundings with people of a like mind. If every gathering you went to your opinions and views were obviously totally alien to everyone else you would change you circle of friends. People tend to read the newspapers that reflect their own views so that they can say to themselves "quite right too!" and get a cosy glow that they were correct in their own thoughts. The following was an amusing parody obviously but there is so much truth in it.
I know exactly who reads the papers.
The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country;
The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country;
The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country;
The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;
The Financial Times is read by people who own the country;
The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country,
The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big t*ts.
This household buys the Mail, ONLY because her indoors collects the numbers on the back page for £5 vouchers, and it keeps the peace. You can skim through it in 5 minutes if that, it's a kids comic. I regularly buy a Sun and a telegraph to get both sides of what's going on, and the DT does have an exceedingly good crossword. Then stuff the lot of them, I'll make my own mind up. No Ovines in my house!!
Why do we have sheeple? Falling educational standards and lack of parenting skills mostly, and the internet, but that's another subject.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Could have been slightly better news, couldn't it, but soooooooooooo happy that it wasn't worse :)
Why do we have sheeple? Falling educational standards and lack of parenting skills mostly, and the internet, but that's another subject.
Parenting skills are handed down from generation to generation, Chris. If you'd had children you would have worked that out for yourself ;) The best any parent can do is not perpetrate the same mistakes their parents did on them, and instead, try to make an entirely different pig's breakfast for their children to pass on.
Now,
if your credit card is still behind the bar, could I h-a-a-a-a-a-v-e....
erm...
^----- this -----^ ?
Please? :)
Thank you!
Please wait here. Further instructions could pile up at any time. Thank you.
The best any parent can do is not perpetrate the same mistakes their parents did on them, and instead, try to make an entirely different pig's breakfast for their children to pass on.
I think you can be quite proud of your children that you have brought up, would you not agree?
Yes my bit of plastic is still behind the bar, but do pray excuse me for a few moments whilst I concentrate upon that orange juice.
Tum ti tum, tum ti tum .... talk amongst yourselves .....
Ok sussed it. It means what it says on the bottle, it is a mixture of water, concentrated orange juice, and non-concentrated orange juice. i.e. no pulp.Details
Mind you no mention of any preservatives though. Also the product is a bit of an advertisement nightmare isn't it. Yes we all know oranges grow on trees, usually cultivated in groves. And yes an orange freshly picked from a tree would by definition be ripe wouldn't it? So how old is this "fresh" orange juice by the time we buy in in the shop and open it at home? Without apparently any of the usual anti-ageing additives?
"Premium Select natural" Hmmm. Premium usually means that you pay top prices. Does select mean that they only choose the best oranges from the crop? Any evidence? Natural, er um yes oranges do grow naturally on orange trees, not cultured in laboratories. Quite frankly the product labelling and marketing stinks, it's a load of bol*o* and I wouldn't buy it on principle.
The man from Del Monte he say NO!!!
But OK some freshly squeezed orange juice for you as requested (pips removed). Was tempted to slip in a measure of Vodka but didn't.
But a little story from our family archives. Very many years ago mum and dad went on a weeks holiday in Spain somewhere, I forget where now, and the hotel room had an orange tree right up to the room balcony. So she leaned out and picked one and ate it for breakfast one day. She never forgot that experience which quite got to her. Of course the locals took it for granted as everyday life, but as she said, how surreal was that for someone from suburban South London?
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
I'll give the Pimm's a try,
I'll give the Pimm's a try, but the bartender should be standing by to give me a Bahama mama quick.
Even my own hometown is not totally immune from hate crimes. http://wgntv.com/2017/06/19/suburban-deli-target-of-hate-crime/ I know where the place is, but I've never gone in. I occasionally go to the McDonald's in front of it if I'm leaving town in that direction.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
It is sadly a sign of our
It is sadly a sign of our times. Why does religion cause so much angst??
The original Gin sling was invented by the Singapore Raffles Hotel 100 years ago, but Pimms is still called that although it is more of an alcoholic (25% ABV) fruit punch, traditionally served in England with little umbrellas in it.
Another aspect of the Grenfell Tower fire that I wondered whether or not would surface.
The authorities know that there are numbers of people whose Visas etc have expired and are living below the radar. They also don't sign the electoral roll, although required to do so by law.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
And here we go again, in
And here we go again, in Brussels this time. Seems to be minor, thankfully.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
mikey wrote:.... that's MUCH
If you have half an hour then watch this short documentary on TV news production from about twenty years ago. It outlines why the urge to fodder feed the masses ( literally the bloke in the pub ) with quick nibbles leads to deliberate factual mashing, and compares with a spoof news show from the 1990s. Note that this is presented & accepted by the ( alleged ) paragon of truth : the BBC ie. this is how they teach their newbies. The example given was a straightforward weather story but imagine how far more critical the spin would be for just about any topic of greater social import. Note how the BBC news training lady genuinely believes she is not editorialising ( trying to swing opinion by non-factual input ) by this production process. Note how the key metric was to fit a narrative flow, any narrative really, to a time interval. They actually don't realise ( or confront/defeat ) their own biases which are deeply embedded in their methods ! The most glaring omission to any self reflection they may have is the obvious editorial technique of not mentioning something at all ! It's almost as if they have given up on trying to be real in order to achieve the goal of popular consumption. :-)
That's the outstanding problem with group think & echo chambers : because of the severe penalties for variance you only compare with intellectual copies of yourself, thus all seems well. The huddles only get tighter with time. So if you then fast forward to present day this explains the existence of the very many alternate universe bubbles like CNN etc that we face. They think in terms of the myths they present and this is a self-reinforcing loop. Instead of creating a clever narrative ( aka propaganda ) which they want to be lauded for, they wind up out-faking themselves ie. liars need good memories as eventually the inherent contradictions with reality are displayed. So for sure they really hate Donald - you'd have to live under a mountain of rock to have missed that theme - but that doesn't forgive/enable any memetic vomit that reaches that conclusion ( however correct that may be ). Likewise for FOX, say, which merely yields the obverse imprint ( though less overtly panic stricken ). The means is not the same as the ends, alas recorded history abounds with tragedy when they are confounded. It is not the case that : IF I like what I hear THEN it must true ( this is called confirmation bias ). This is why I believe pretty well nothing about what I see on TV, in fact I no longer waste my mortal coil on it. { read this post again after you have seen the doco }
Confirmation bias is a huge risk in medical practice. It is one of those things that one has to eternally guard against because it is default human behaviour ie. requires ongoing effort to prevent/escape. That risk is mostly borne by the patient. It is often said that a good doctor makes the diagnosis as the patient walks into the room ( ? Dr House ? ). This is twaddle. What happens is the appearance of the patient - and we are trained to notice things - triggers a memory of some prior interaction which in all likelihood is factually unrelated. With the ageing of the doctor this happens with higher frequency. Karl Popper talked of this as 'crystallized intelligence', a more-or-less polite way of saying he/she is in a rut. 'Intuition' is another disguised poison. It is OK for the doctor to remember past experience - we do learn by that - but that at most is merely a guide to probabilities. Every time you MUST go and measure/test to include/exclude possibilities.
As for hate crimes I reckon we all have this stupidity shaped space inside us that may be invaded by some evil vapours that condense and take malignant form.
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
I haven't watched the program
I haven't watched the program yet, it took me enough time to digest what you wrote in the first place :-)
But there is a difference between being genuinely in a rut, by not moving with the times, keeping abreast of public opinion, being open to new ideas etc; and being prepared to stand by and defend your long held principles and beliefs.
What drives the media whether TV or Press is simple, MONEY. They are not in it out of the goodness of their hearts, they have a living to earn it's as simple as that. The UK ITV television is sponsored by advertisements that pay their way. If they don't broadcast provocative stuff people won't watch, therefore advertisers won't pay to promote their products. For decades the BBC was held up as an unbiased organisation funded by the TV licence fees. Sadly no longer these days and that is the honest truth. Probably Reuters is one of the few left that just tell the news as it is, letting others put their spin on it.
The newspaper industry is a cut-throat business to survive particularly amongst the Tabloids, specifically so between the Mail and the Express over here, both fighting tooth and nail for each others readership. The Sheeple will go into a shop and see all the papers laid out on a rack. It is human nature to be drawn to the one with the shock horror front page headline. Often there will be a little note "please turn to page 5", then there will be a half column about some insignificant event. Too late you've parted with your money and bought it. Yes you've been duped, but in turning to page 5 you have likely subliminally passed the adverts along the way. Brain washing? Of course it is!
Sheeple are easily manipulated. Take supermarkets for example. Pink light tubes over meat counters to make the meat look redder and more attractive to buy, all the sweets and chocolates by the tills so that irritable kids after an hours shopping can be bribed to stop whining. After a few trips people suss the layout of the store and can complete their shop in half the time. So they regularly change the layout so you have to go along every aisle to find what you want. Of course you are likely to make impulse buys of "special offers" (which aren't) along the way. Its all a big con to part you with your money!
Well Mike, you and I know that, but it is human nature to mix in social surroundings with people of a like mind. If every gathering you went to your opinions and views were obviously totally alien to everyone else you would change you circle of friends. People tend to read the newspapers that reflect their own views so that they can say to themselves "quite right too!" and get a cosy glow that they were correct in their own thoughts. The following was an amusing parody obviously but there is so much truth in it.
This household buys the Mail, ONLY because her indoors collects the numbers on the back page for £5 vouchers, and it keeps the peace. You can skim through it in 5 minutes if that, it's a kids comic. I regularly buy a Sun and a telegraph to get both sides of what's going on, and the DT does have an exceedingly good crossword. Then stuff the lot of them, I'll make my own mind up. No Ovines in my house!!
Why do we have sheeple? Falling educational standards and lack of parenting skills mostly, and the internet, but that's another subject.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
@David's test resultsCould
@David's test results
Could have been slightly better news, couldn't it, but soooooooooooo happy that it wasn't worse :)
Parenting skills are handed down from generation to generation, Chris. If you'd had children you would have worked that out for yourself ;) The best any parent can do is not perpetrate the same mistakes their parents did on them, and instead, try to make an entirely different pig's breakfast for their children to pass on.
Now,
if your credit card is still behind the bar, could I h-a-a-a-a-a-v-e....
erm...
^----- this -----^ ?
Please? :)
Thank you!
Please wait here. Further instructions could pile up at any time. Thank you.
The juice is made from 100%
The juice is made from 100% bollocks .....
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Could I cancel my order
Could I cancel my order please
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The best any parent can do is
I think you can be quite proud of your children that you have brought up, would you not agree?
Yes my bit of plastic is still behind the bar, but do pray excuse me for a few moments whilst I concentrate upon that orange juice.
Tum ti tum, tum ti tum .... talk amongst yourselves .....
Ok sussed it. It means what it says on the bottle, it is a mixture of water, concentrated orange juice, and non-concentrated orange juice. i.e. no pulp. Details
Mind you no mention of any preservatives though. Also the product is a bit of an advertisement nightmare isn't it. Yes we all know oranges grow on trees, usually cultivated in groves. And yes an orange freshly picked from a tree would by definition be ripe wouldn't it? So how old is this "fresh" orange juice by the time we buy in in the shop and open it at home? Without apparently any of the usual anti-ageing additives?
"Premium Select natural" Hmmm. Premium usually means that you pay top prices. Does select mean that they only choose the best oranges from the crop? Any evidence? Natural, er um yes oranges do grow naturally on orange trees, not cultured in laboratories. Quite frankly the product labelling and marketing stinks, it's a load of bol*o* and I wouldn't buy it on principle.
The man from Del Monte he say NO!!!
But OK some freshly squeezed orange juice for you as requested (pips removed). Was tempted to slip in a measure of Vodka but didn't.
But a little story from our family archives. Very many years ago mum and dad went on a weeks holiday in Spain somewhere, I forget where now, and the hotel room had an orange tree right up to the room balcony. So she leaned out and picked one and ate it for breakfast one day. She never forgot that experience which quite got to her. Of course the locals took it for granted as everyday life, but as she said, how surreal was that for someone from suburban South London?
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
..... however does possess
..... however does possess some quantum energy levels, so should still have nutritional value. Concentrated sounds nice. Very citric.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal