OK that's great - partly 'cos I have the same, in place of the XP firewall and partly 'cos it's a good one too (grin)
Make sure that under the program control tab, BOINC client has trusted and internet with a green tick, and BOINC manager for windows has a green tick under trusted access. We can discuss the creen saver later...
Gray
Umm Donna, I should mention that I was referring to access, NOT to SERVER. You definitely don't want anything trying to be a server. There are certain p2p apps that require this but that's a risk you will need to decide to take for that. To get the screensaver working, ensure that it has access/trusted zone green ticked
- I am just wondering too, what you have under the firewall "zones". Here you can add a setting for localhost, which would be needed for the screensaver.
I have 2 issues with BOINC 5.2.2, Neither is serious in any way, but something of an irritation rather. I am running on win xp with servive pk 2. Hardware is reasonably modern and not totally wimpish.
The first is that whenever I reboot, BOINC goes to system tray, which is great and fine and as per spec, but leaves a momento of itself sitting on the taskbar, which cannot be got rid of by left-cliking or right-click/minimise. I have to open the manager from the system tray and when I close THAT then the task bar momento goes away.
The second one is that even when I have suspended BOINC, both for network and for actually running, it continues to sent data through the firewall locally in the "trusted zone". Surely suspend means "turn off" or similar ?
Gray
Gray,
The reason that Boinc starts automatically on boot is probably that you went with all the defaults on installation, one of which is "Start with Windows" or some such, the other is to make it the default screensaver.
Rather than going through the uninstall/re-install dance, click Start, Run, in the box, type"msconfig" (without quotes). On the Config applet, on the Startup tab will be a list of things that start up when Windows boots. Uncheck Boinc, and click "Apply" then OK. Reboot, and a system configuration nag will pop up. Check "do not show...", and close. Then you're good to go.
"Suspend" merely halts computation, not communication.
Regards,
Michael
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
I have 2 issues with BOINC 5.2.2, Neither is serious in any way, but something of an irritation rather. I am running on win xp with servive pk 2. Hardware is reasonably modern and not totally wimpish.
The first is that whenever I reboot, BOINC goes to system tray, which is great and fine and as per spec, but leaves a momento of itself sitting on the taskbar, which cannot be got rid of by left-cliking or right-click/minimise. I have to open the manager from the system tray and when I close THAT then the task bar momento goes away.
The second one is that even when I have suspended BOINC, both for network and for actually running, it continues to sent data through the firewall locally in the "trusted zone". Surely suspend means "turn off" or similar ?
Gray
Gray,
The reason that Boinc starts automatically on boot is probably that you went with all the defaults on installation, one of which is "Start with Windows" or some such, the other is to make it the default screensaver.
Rather than going through the uninstall/re-install dance, click Start, Run, in the box, type"msconfig" (without quotes). On the Config applet, on the Startup tab will be a list of things that start up when Windows boots. Uncheck Boinc, and click "Apply" then OK. Reboot, and a system configuration nag will pop up. Check "do not show...", and close. Then you're good to go.
"Suspend" merely halts computation, not communication.
Regards,
Michael
Hello Michael
Yup I know about that one - but under the start/programs/startup you would normally fins the boinc manager icon - remove from that folder and drop into quick-launch or onto desktop, would actually be a better way. msconfig is more for problem solving in XP than for a permanent solution.
The issue I mentioned occur no matter how the program starts, either manually or at boot-up - and of course the data passing through the firewall isn't related, but I wish it would just go to sleep !
I have 2 issues with BOINC 5.2.2, Neither is serious in any way, but something of an irritation rather. I am running on win xp with servive pk 2. Hardware is reasonably modern and not totally wimpish.
The first is that whenever I reboot, BOINC goes to system tray, which is great and fine and as per spec, but leaves a momento of itself sitting on the taskbar, which cannot be got rid of by left-cliking or right-click/minimise. I have to open the manager from the system tray and when I close THAT then the task bar momento goes away.
The second one is that even when I have suspended BOINC, both for network and for actually running, it continues to sent data through the firewall locally in the "trusted zone". Surely suspend means "turn off" or similar ?
Gray
Gray,
The reason that Boinc starts automatically on boot is probably that you went with all the defaults on installation, one of which is "Start with Windows" or some such, the other is to make it the default screensaver.
Rather than going through the uninstall/re-install dance, click Start, Run, in the box, type"msconfig" (without quotes). On the Config applet, on the Startup tab will be a list of things that start up when Windows boots. Uncheck Boinc, and click "Apply" then OK. Reboot, and a system configuration nag will pop up. Check "do not show...", and close. Then you're good to go.
"Suspend" merely halts computation, not communication.
Regards,
Michael
Hello Michael
Yup I know about that one - but under the start/programs/startup you would normally fins the boinc manager icon - remove from that folder and drop into quick-launch or onto desktop, would actually be a better way. msconfig is more for problem solving in XP than for a permanent solution.
The issue I mentioned occur no matter how the program starts, either manually or at boot-up - and of course the data passing through the firewall isn't related, but I wish it would just go to sleep !
Gray
Gray,
Msconfig has been part of Windows since Win98. Its not something just for XP. Although its meant as a troublshooting tool, its very useful in removing unwanted startup programs.
You can hide the systray icon by changing its properties. Right click the taskbar and click "Properties". In the Taskbar and Start Menu Properties dialog, check the box for "hide inactive icons" and click "customize". Change the setting for BOINC to "always hide".
As for network communication, are you talking about the Boinc Manager BOINC communications? Thats part of its basic operation, and the only way to get rid of it is to not run Boinc Manager. If you check the actual network socket it uses, it should be 127.0.0.1, which is the local system only. TcpView from SysInternals will show whats being used what the process using them.
Is it all possible that Windows 98 upgrade cannot handle this program?
Hopefully, somebody else will be able to answer that question definitively. In the meantime, you could try uninstalling this BOINC (using Windows "Uninstall") and try the earlier version (BOINC 4.45). I know it works with Win 98. If you do this, just remember that you will probably have to "reauthorize" your firewall (for BOINC 4.45).
Thanks for all of your suggestions, I really appreciate your persistence. I think I will uninstall this version and try the older one. I don't want to waste any more of anyone's time on this. Hopefully, this will work. Kind regards-Donna
Donna,
BOINC 5.2.2 should work in Windows 98 just fine. Besides, theres a good chance you'll have the same network problems in the older version.
Can you tell us something about how your system connects to Internet? Are you using dial-up, DSL/Cable or a wireless connection? (Which?) Are you using VPN to connect thru another network?
Can you browse the internet OK with your browser - from the same system you're installing BOINC on? If so, and you're using Internet Explorer, what are the "Connection" settings in Internet Options:
In the control panel double click "Internet Options". In the options dialog, select the "connections" tab. What does it show for the dial=up settings? Click the "Lan Settings" button near the bottom, are any of the boxes checked? If so, which ones and what are the settings?
Is it all possible that Windows 98 upgrade cannot handle this program?
Hopefully, somebody else will be able to answer that question definitively. In the meantime, you could try uninstalling this BOINC (using Windows "Uninstall") and try the earlier version (BOINC 4.45). I know it works with Win 98. If you do this, just remember that you will probably have to "reauthorize" your firewall (for BOINC 4.45).
Thanks for all of your suggestions, I really appreciate your persistence. I think I will uninstall this version and try the older one. I don't want to waste any more of anyone's time on this. Hopefully, this will work. Kind regards-Donna
Donna,
BOINC 5.2.2 should work in Windows 98 just fine. Besides, theres a good chance you'll have the same network problems in the older version.
Can you tell us something about how your system connects to Internet? Are you using dial-up, DSL/Cable or a wireless connection? (Which?) Are you using VPN to connect thru another network?
Can you browse the internet OK with your browser - from the same system you're installing BOINC on? If so, and you're using Internet Explorer, what are the "Connection" settings in Internet Options:
In the control panel double click "Internet Options". In the options dialog, select the "connections" tab. What does it show for the dial=up settings? Click the "Lan Settings" button near the bottom, are any of the boxes checked? If so, which ones and what are the settings?
Walt
Hello Walt:
Well seems that you are correct. (I uninstalled 5.2.2 and installed 4.45 and I did much better with 5.2.2., short of not being able to connect. But it was worth trying.) Now I have uninstalled everything and will start from the beginning tomorrow.
I'm on dial-up. My settings are for auto detect, no proxies. Everything works well with my system, just can't figure this one out. (I really think it is something simple that I've over-looked...)
Thanks so much for your help. Let me see what I can figure out tomorrow... cheers-Donna (Is anyone else having trouble with this?...)
I have 2 issues with BOINC 5.2.2, Neither is serious in any way, but something of an irritation rather. I am running on win xp with servive pk 2. Hardware is reasonably modern and not totally wimpish.
The first is that whenever I reboot, BOINC goes to system tray, which is great and fine and as per spec, but leaves a momento of itself sitting on the taskbar, which cannot be got rid of by left-cliking or right-click/minimise. I have to open the manager from the system tray and when I close THAT then the task bar momento goes away.
The second one is that even when I have suspended BOINC, both for network and for actually running, it continues to sent data through the firewall locally in the "trusted zone". Surely suspend means "turn off" or similar ?
Gray
Gray,
The reason that Boinc starts automatically on boot is probably that you went with all the defaults on installation, one of which is "Start with Windows" or some such, the other is to make it the default screensaver.
Rather than going through the uninstall/re-install dance, click Start, Run, in the box, type"msconfig" (without quotes). On the Config applet, on the Startup tab will be a list of things that start up when Windows boots. Uncheck Boinc, and click "Apply" then OK. Reboot, and a system configuration nag will pop up. Check "do not show...", and close. Then you're good to go.
"Suspend" merely halts computation, not communication.
Regards,
Michael
Hello Michael
Yup I know about that one - but under the start/programs/startup you would normally fins the boinc manager icon - remove from that folder and drop into quick-launch or onto desktop, would actually be a better way. msconfig is more for problem solving in XP than for a permanent solution.
The issue I mentioned occur no matter how the program starts, either manually or at boot-up - and of course the data passing through the firewall isn't related, but I wish it would just go to sleep !
Gray
Gray,
Msconfig has been part of Windows since Win98. Its not something just for XP. Although its meant as a troublshooting tool, its very useful in removing unwanted startup programs.
You can hide the systray icon by changing its properties. Right click the taskbar and click "Properties". In the Taskbar and Start Menu Properties dialog, check the box for "hide inactive icons" and click "customize". Change the setting for BOINC to "always hide".
As for network communication, are you talking about the Boinc Manager BOINC communications? Thats part of its basic operation, and the only way to get rid of it is to not run Boinc Manager. If you check the actual network socket it uses, it should be 127.0.0.1, which is the local system only. TcpView from SysInternals will show whats being used what the process using them.
Walt
Helo Walt
Thanks for the reply. Believe me when I say I know about msconfig - when I first got XP 2 years' back I tweaked everything I could find - and formatted/re-installed at least once a week until I was happy. The issue in the system tray is not so much with BOINC - I really have no problem with that being there. In fact being a serious control freak, I refuse to hide any icons - I would rather find what is running in this box.
To Donna's problem, I am convinced that her issue is related to her firewall. The other alternative is her ISP. It is possible that AOL only allows certain types of protocol, if she is with them for example. Here I am on foreign ground as I am in South Africa and while we have our own dial-up and adsl nightmare called Telkom, ot is a different story.
I would like to help check re her firewall, but am on dial-up here. Will be online for a couple more minutes and then will turn off - gotta go to work
I have 2 issues with BOINC 5.2.2, Neither is serious in any way, but something of an irritation rather. I am running on win xp with servive pk 2. Hardware is reasonably modern and not totally wimpish.
The first is that whenever I reboot, BOINC goes to system tray, which is great and fine and as per spec, but leaves a momento of itself sitting on the taskbar, which cannot be got rid of by left-cliking or right-click/minimise. I have to open the manager from the system tray and when I close THAT then the task bar momento goes away.
The second one is that even when I have suspended BOINC, both for network and for actually running, it continues to sent data through the firewall locally in the "trusted zone". Surely suspend means "turn off" or similar ?
Gray
Gray,
The reason that Boinc starts automatically on boot is probably that you went with all the defaults on installation, one of which is "Start with Windows" or some such, the other is to make it the default screensaver.
Rather than going through the uninstall/re-install dance, click Start, Run, in the box, type"msconfig" (without quotes). On the Config applet, on the Startup tab will be a list of things that start up when Windows boots. Uncheck Boinc, and click "Apply" then OK. Reboot, and a system configuration nag will pop up. Check "do not show...", and close. Then you're good to go.
"Suspend" merely halts computation, not communication.
Regards,
Michael
Hello Michael
Yup I know about that one - but under the start/programs/startup you would normally fins the boinc manager icon - remove from that folder and drop into quick-launch or onto desktop, would actually be a better way. msconfig is more for problem solving in XP than for a permanent solution.
The issue I mentioned occur no matter how the program starts, either manually or at boot-up - and of course the data passing through the firewall isn't related, but I wish it would just go to sleep !
Gray
Gray,
Msconfig has been part of Windows since Win98. Its not something just for XP. Although its meant as a troublshooting tool, its very useful in removing unwanted startup programs.
You can hide the systray icon by changing its properties. Right click the taskbar and click "Properties". In the Taskbar and Start Menu Properties dialog, check the box for "hide inactive icons" and click "customize". Change the setting for BOINC to "always hide".
As for network communication, are you talking about the Boinc Manager BOINC communications? Thats part of its basic operation, and the only way to get rid of it is to not run Boinc Manager. If you check the actual network socket it uses, it should be 127.0.0.1, which is the local system only. TcpView from SysInternals will show whats being used what the process using them.
Walt
Helo Walt
Thanks for the reply. Believe me when I say I know about msconfig - when I first got XP 2 years' back I tweaked everything I could find - and formatted/re-installed at least once a week until I was happy. The issue in the system tray is not so much with BOINC - I really have no problem with that being there. In fact being a serious control freak, I refuse to hide any icons - I would rather find what is running in this box.
To Donna's problem, I am convinced that her issue is related to her firewall. The other alternative is her ISP. It is possible that AOL only allows certain types of protocol, if she is with them for example. Here I am on foreign ground as I am in South Africa and while we have our own dial-up and adsl nightmare called Telkom, ot is a different story.
I would like to help check re her firewall, but am on dial-up here. Will be online for a couple more minutes and then will turn off - gotta go to work
Gray
One final note - If I want to remove a program from startup - once I have checked that it is not needed, I prefer going to the registry to delete the entry - a cleaner way of doing stuff
I reinstalled BOINC 5.2.2, no trouble with the download, everything is in place and I still cannot attach the project... I just got off the phone with my internet provider and the tech could not find any problem that would prevent me from utilizing BOINC. My firewall is set to allow boinc.exe. I've exhausted all possibilities at my end. Any further suggestions would be most helpful...Thanks-Donna
I reinstalled BOINC 5.2.2, no trouble with the download, everything is in place and I still cannot attach the project... I just got off the phone with my internet provider and the tech could not find any problem that would prevent me from utilizing BOINC. My firewall is set to allow boinc.exe. I've exhausted all possibilities at my end. Any further suggestions would be most helpful...Thanks-Donna
In an earlier message, you reported the contents of your messages tab including this snippet:-
Is this message still there when you fired up 5.2.2 and tried to attach?
I don't really know exactly what that bit means but it sounds like your machine is confused about its own identity. I think it means that it couldn't work out the connection between hostname and ip address. Someone who really understands Win98 networking may be able to help, particularly if this message is still there.
RE: RE: RE: Hello
)
Umm Donna, I should mention that I was referring to access, NOT to SERVER. You definitely don't want anything trying to be a server. There are certain p2p apps that require this but that's a risk you will need to decide to take for that. To get the screensaver working, ensure that it has access/trusted zone green ticked
- I am just wondering too, what you have under the firewall "zones". Here you can add a setting for localhost, which would be needed for the screensaver.
Gray
RE: Hello I have 2 issues
)
Gray,
The reason that Boinc starts automatically on boot is probably that you went with all the defaults on installation, one of which is "Start with Windows" or some such, the other is to make it the default screensaver.
Rather than going through the uninstall/re-install dance, click Start, Run, in the box, type"msconfig" (without quotes). On the Config applet, on the Startup tab will be a list of things that start up when Windows boots. Uncheck Boinc, and click "Apply" then OK. Reboot, and a system configuration nag will pop up. Check "do not show...", and close. Then you're good to go.
"Suspend" merely halts computation, not communication.
Regards,
Michael
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
RE: RE: Hello I have 2
)
Hello Michael
Yup I know about that one - but under the start/programs/startup you would normally fins the boinc manager icon - remove from that folder and drop into quick-launch or onto desktop, would actually be a better way. msconfig is more for problem solving in XP than for a permanent solution.
The issue I mentioned occur no matter how the program starts, either manually or at boot-up - and of course the data passing through the firewall isn't related, but I wish it would just go to sleep !
Gray
RE: RE: RE: Hello I
)
Gray,
Msconfig has been part of Windows since Win98. Its not something just for XP. Although its meant as a troublshooting tool, its very useful in removing unwanted startup programs.
You can hide the systray icon by changing its properties. Right click the taskbar and click "Properties". In the Taskbar and Start Menu Properties dialog, check the box for "hide inactive icons" and click "customize". Change the setting for BOINC to "always hide".
As for network communication, are you talking about the Boinc Manager BOINC communications? Thats part of its basic operation, and the only way to get rid of it is to not run Boinc Manager. If you check the actual network socket it uses, it should be 127.0.0.1, which is the local system only. TcpView from SysInternals will show whats being used what the process using them.
Walt
RE: RE: RE: Is it all
)
Donna,
BOINC 5.2.2 should work in Windows 98 just fine. Besides, theres a good chance you'll have the same network problems in the older version.
Can you tell us something about how your system connects to Internet? Are you using dial-up, DSL/Cable or a wireless connection? (Which?) Are you using VPN to connect thru another network?
Can you browse the internet OK with your browser - from the same system you're installing BOINC on? If so, and you're using Internet Explorer, what are the "Connection" settings in Internet Options:
In the control panel double click "Internet Options". In the options dialog, select the "connections" tab. What does it show for the dial=up settings? Click the "Lan Settings" button near the bottom, are any of the boxes checked? If so, which ones and what are the settings?
Walt
RE: RE: RE: RE: Is
)
Hello Walt:
Well seems that you are correct. (I uninstalled 5.2.2 and installed 4.45 and I did much better with 5.2.2., short of not being able to connect. But it was worth trying.) Now I have uninstalled everything and will start from the beginning tomorrow.
I'm on dial-up. My settings are for auto detect, no proxies. Everything works well with my system, just can't figure this one out. (I really think it is something simple that I've over-looked...)
Thanks so much for your help. Let me see what I can figure out tomorrow... cheers-Donna (Is anyone else having trouble with this?...)
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hello
)
Helo Walt
Thanks for the reply. Believe me when I say I know about msconfig - when I first got XP 2 years' back I tweaked everything I could find - and formatted/re-installed at least once a week until I was happy. The issue in the system tray is not so much with BOINC - I really have no problem with that being there. In fact being a serious control freak, I refuse to hide any icons - I would rather find what is running in this box.
To Donna's problem, I am convinced that her issue is related to her firewall. The other alternative is her ISP. It is possible that AOL only allows certain types of protocol, if she is with them for example. Here I am on foreign ground as I am in South Africa and while we have our own dial-up and adsl nightmare called Telkom, ot is a different story.
I would like to help check re her firewall, but am on dial-up here. Will be online for a couple more minutes and then will turn off - gotta go to work
Gray
RE: RE: RE: RE: Quote
)
One final note - If I want to remove a program from startup - once I have checked that it is not needed, I prefer going to the registry to delete the entry - a cleaner way of doing stuff
Gray
I reinstalled BOINC 5.2.2, no
)
I reinstalled BOINC 5.2.2, no trouble with the download, everything is in place and I still cannot attach the project... I just got off the phone with my internet provider and the tech could not find any problem that would prevent me from utilizing BOINC. My firewall is set to allow boinc.exe. I've exhausted all possibilities at my end. Any further suggestions would be most helpful...Thanks-Donna
RE: I reinstalled BOINC
)
In an earlier message, you reported the contents of your messages tab including this snippet:-
Is this message still there when you fired up 5.2.2 and tried to attach?
I don't really know exactly what that bit means but it sounds like your machine is confused about its own identity. I think it means that it couldn't work out the connection between hostname and ip address. Someone who really understands Win98 networking may be able to help, particularly if this message is still there.
Cheers,
Gary.