Mechanisation putting people out of jobs started in the UK with the Luddites in the early 1800's in the weaving industry. Luddites feared that the time spent learning the skills of their craft would go to waste as machines would replace their role in the industry. It is a misconception that the Luddites protested against the machinery itself in an attempt to halt progress of technology.
Look at automated car production lines today compared to Henry Ford's times. In engineering setter operators started to be replaced by plugboard capstans, then CNC machines came in, now we have fully computerised machining centres. You still need designers and programmers but less numbers of skilled machinists.
Remember the newspaper industry with hot metal typesetting where there were guys sitting at Linotype machines. It's all done by computer now. Car servicing is now every 10,000 miles not 3000, electronic diagnosis, less mechanics needed. Long life milk from supermarkets, no milkmen, no coalmen needed with gas fired central heating, No dustmen humping bins on their shoulders, all done by lorries tipping two wheelie bins at a time. One man operated buses and trains, no conductors needed. Look at the old Strowger telephone exchanges with a dozen technicians to adjusting relays to run a 10,000 line unit, now a couple of guys can run a 40,000 line electronic unit by computer,
The list goes on and on, but as technology evolves it means less labour intensive work, so less labour is required, purportedly giving mankind more leisure time. But spending 20 years on an unskilled persons pension is not good to look forward to. But you won't stop progress.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
It will be a long time yet before robots can design and produce more robots and be self replicating. Meanwhile the human race will keep expanding with ultimately much less to do in the case of industry or even commerce. But when it comes to leisure time, of which there will be much more of, people prefer to interact with other human beings.
Yes your robotic maid will be cleaning your apartment while you go out, and your automated car will drive itself to a nice hotel or posh restaurant. But it will still be nice to get served by a proper human waiter or waitress, although the bar-bot might mix the cocktails. No point playing tennis or cards with a robot, it will always win, no fun in that. IBM's Deeper Blue way back in 1997 was the first chess computer system to defeat a reigning world champion in a match under standard chess tournament time controls 3 1/2 to 2 1/2.
I think there will still be many jobs in the service and leisure Industries for people, despite the way things seem to be going. Robots can still help in exploring the solar system before we do. Although in Startrek they beat the Androids with the liar paradox.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
There is still nobody anywhere near the right track with the thread clue.
Did you hear about the RAISE Act? I only got 15 points, half of the minimum 30. Good thing I was born here. The criteria just prove to me that rich people really have no concept of how regular people live.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
favours people between the ages of 26 and 30 with a doctorate, high English proficiency and a job offer with a high salary. Applicants would need at least 30 points to be eligible to apply for a visa under the proposal, and the fastest way to get there is to have received a Nobel Prize or comparable international award, which gives applicants a head start of 25 points. Applicants with the highest number of points would go to the front of the line to receive visas.
Talk about shooting oneself in the foot, anyone that meets that criteria would judge the USA the last place in the word they would want to live!!
BTW I scored 17 points.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Mechanisation putting people
Mechanisation putting people out of jobs started in the UK with the Luddites in the early 1800's in the weaving industry. Luddites feared that the time spent learning the skills of their craft would go to waste as machines would replace their role in the industry. It is a misconception that the Luddites protested against the machinery itself in an attempt to halt progress of technology.
Look at automated car production lines today compared to Henry Ford's times. In engineering setter operators started to be replaced by plugboard capstans, then CNC machines came in, now we have fully computerised machining centres. You still need designers and programmers but less numbers of skilled machinists.
Remember the newspaper industry with hot metal typesetting where there were guys sitting at Linotype machines. It's all done by computer now. Car servicing is now every 10,000 miles not 3000, electronic diagnosis, less mechanics needed. Long life milk from supermarkets, no milkmen, no coalmen needed with gas fired central heating, No dustmen humping bins on their shoulders, all done by lorries tipping two wheelie bins at a time. One man operated buses and trains, no conductors needed. Look at the old Strowger telephone exchanges with a dozen technicians to adjusting relays to run a 10,000 line unit, now a couple of guys can run a 40,000 line electronic unit by computer,
The list goes on and on, but as technology evolves it means less labour intensive work, so less labour is required, purportedly giving mankind more leisure time. But spending 20 years on an unskilled persons pension is not good to look forward to. But you won't stop progress.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
We won't stop progress,
We won't stop progress, ultimately that means all current human work will be automated
It will be a long time yet
It will be a long time yet before robots can design and produce more robots and be self replicating. Meanwhile the human race will keep expanding with ultimately much less to do in the case of industry or even commerce. But when it comes to leisure time, of which there will be much more of, people prefer to interact with other human beings.
Yes your robotic maid will be cleaning your apartment while you go out, and your automated car will drive itself to a nice hotel or posh restaurant. But it will still be nice to get served by a proper human waiter or waitress, although the bar-bot might mix the cocktails. No point playing tennis or cards with a robot, it will always win, no fun in that. IBM's Deeper Blue way back in 1997 was the first chess computer system to defeat a reigning world champion in a match under standard chess tournament time controls 3 1/2 to 2 1/2.
I think there will still be many jobs in the service and leisure Industries for people, despite the way things seem to be going. Robots can still help in exploring the solar system before we do. Although in Startrek they beat the Androids with the liar paradox.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
There is still nobody
There is still nobody anywhere near the right track with the thread clue.
Did you hear about the RAISE Act? I only got 15 points, half of the minimum 30. Good thing I was born here. The criteria just prove to me that rich people really have no concept of how regular people live.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
I got 18, they won't let me
I got 18, they won't let me in
favours people between the
Talk about shooting oneself in the foot, anyone that meets that criteria would judge the USA the last place in the word they would want to live!!
BTW I scored 17 points.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
The site won't let me edit my
The site won't let me edit my previous post. Hmmph.
Data wouldn't have fallen for that.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
David S wrote:The site won't
As soon as there is another post, the edit button goes away!
Calculate the value of the last digit of pi.
Gary Charpentier wrote:David
I thought the edit button stayed until the same person posted again.
Data wouldn't fall for that either. It took microsurgery to disable him.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
A case could be made that
A case could be made that 10,000 years ago agriculture put hunter gatherers out of work.
edit] That RAISE act is stupid. Whoever made the rules never looked at any data.
Most Physics Nobel winners are over 55, 25% would normally be retired. All the other categories are older. Only very few get it before they are 40.
As an engineer, the average age to get Masters is 33 and average income is below $100,000.