That law also applies to me at the museum. Maximum 12 hours on, then minimum 8 hours off. I think we also have something about consecutive days on, and/or days on in a 14-day period. Not sure if that applies to Phil.
Current FRA rules are 12 hours max performing service, 10 hours minimum uninterrupted rest. Any time consumed beyond 12 hours adds an equal amount of time to your rest period.
Work 12 hours, then have 3 more hours trying to get to a terminal, in a van or such, total 15 hours on duty. You then get 10 hours standard rest, plus 3 hours "limbo time" rest, for 13 hours rest.
Anything over your 12 hours is called "limbo" time. If you hit a total of 20 hours limbo time in a month, you are pulled from service for the remainder of the month.
If you get 6 consecutive starts (going on duty 6 days in a row) you get a mandatory 48 hours rest. 7 consecutive starts (it does happen for various reasons) you get 72 hours rest.
Hey Annie here's another "time sheet" for you:
When I was a firefighter I got 4 days off, in a row, all the time!! I would work 24 hours on, then 24 off, then 24 on, then 24 off, then 24 on, then 96 hours off. So I would work for instance Monday, Wednesday and Friday, 24 hours each day with sleeping allowed after 8pm at night as long as the bells didn't go off, then I got 96 hours off, 4 days. After the 4 days off it became Wednesday, Friday and Sunday for work, then 4 days off. I worked 3 days out of 9 and it rotated like that for my entire 24 year career. They would print up calendars for us of 3 to 5 years at a time, just so we could schedule vacations etc, since the schedule never changed. There are places you can go online and see it for 10 years or more, just in case you wanted it. We had 3 shifts of people and we normally only saw each other at shift change in the mornings. But since there was a minimum staffing requirement we could see someone from another shift if they were 'rehired' to fill in for someone who was sick or whatever. 'Rehired' meant time and a half for the whole 24 hours and THAT was good money!! After 48 hours of being 'rehired' in one pay period though the taxes would eat us alive and the take home money percentage would drop ALOT!! That meant most people wouldn't do more then 48 hours per pay period.
The City normally only had 3 people extra per shift, so if someone got hurt, sick or whatever a 'rehire' would be needed. For doctors appts etc they would only need to 'rehire' for a few hours so we employees agreed with the City to put a 4 hour minimum if they 'rehired' anyone. I live 45 minutes from my old work, if they would 'rehire' me it wouldn't be worth my while to go in for less than 4 hours as travel time would kill me. It is only about 28 miles door to door, but traffic is NEVER good, except before 5am or when going against it.
That law also applies to me at the museum. Maximum 12 hours on, then minimum 8 hours off. I think we also have something about consecutive days on, and/or days on in a 14-day period. Not sure if that applies to Phil.
Current FRA rules are 12 hours max performing service, 10 hours minimum uninterrupted rest. Any time consumed beyond 12 hours adds an equal amount of time to your rest period.
Work 12 hours, then have 3 more hours trying to get to a terminal, in a van or such, total 15 hours on duty. You then get 10 hours standard rest, plus 3 hours "limbo time" rest, for 13 hours rest.
Anything over your 12 hours is called "limbo" time. If you hit a total of 20 hours limbo time in a month, you are pulled from service for the remainder of the month.
If you get 6 consecutive starts (going on duty 6 days in a row) you get a mandatory 48 hours rest. 7 consecutive starts (it does happen for various reasons) you get 72 hours rest.
Phil
Okay, I checked our rules. They don't actually say minimum rest, just know and comply with FRA rules. But the way we operate, it would be pretty rare for someone to be off less than 10 hours anyway. When guys do operate at night, they know they can't be on again in the morning. The other thing is, like you, maximum 6 consecutive days in train service; for us, this does not include dispatching or signal service. Not a problem, since most of us are only out on weekends.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
Aah a fireman... :) Is that schedule so everyone gets equal turns sliding down the pole? ;) Bickering over something like that would definitely undermine morale I think...
Had a family friend who was in the fire service. When he wasn't on duty he was either flinging himself: Off mountains clutching a hangglider; Into deranged rivers clutching a raft; or seeing how nearly he got could get wedged in underwater potholes.
He met his wife when she got her toe stuck in a bathroom tap (during what had started out as a relaxing soak and which then became a mixture of idle curiosity and boredom - during which the brainwave "insert toe into any available hole" came over her). I've never fully trusted my toes in a bath since...
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There are these little mesh caps that you can put over the tap end. Apparently this helps aerate the water ( FWIW ), but I think would have the inadvertent bonus of preventing toe capture. But toe-tap-insertion is believed to be very borderline stupid, and leads one to be marked down by your local emergency services as being in the "let's take our time and stroll to this call" category. They do have such lists you know and commonly they send newbie medics to such known addresses. This is denoted in paramedic circles as the Retard Tolerance Test ( RTT ). I hear that a new emergency crew graduate must attend a minimum of three (3) RTT's during their first year of service.
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
I think as one gets older then you get adherent body parts eg.
- stuck hinges
- stuck valves
- stuck relays
... to which the best strategy is the comfy armchair from where, as Anniet indicates, True Science can be performed. One then accepts the position of said body components as they are. This I believe is a valid form of bio-efficiency and totally avoids tap holes as a side effect.
Cheers, Mike.
( edit ) My wife - on close interrogation - has indicated that the toe-in-tap phenomenon is restricted ( assuming that it happens at all ) to shorter women only. To be exact : she has never seen a case herself.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
RE: That law also applies
)
Current FRA rules are 12 hours max performing service, 10 hours minimum uninterrupted rest. Any time consumed beyond 12 hours adds an equal amount of time to your rest period.
Work 12 hours, then have 3 more hours trying to get to a terminal, in a van or such, total 15 hours on duty. You then get 10 hours standard rest, plus 3 hours "limbo time" rest, for 13 hours rest.
Anything over your 12 hours is called "limbo" time. If you hit a total of 20 hours limbo time in a month, you are pulled from service for the remainder of the month.
If you get 6 consecutive starts (going on duty 6 days in a row) you get a mandatory 48 hours rest. 7 consecutive starts (it does happen for various reasons) you get 72 hours rest.
Phil
RE: Anniet, I hope you are
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I hope I'm not too Kavanagh :) it'd be really embarrassing... like my aim :)
Hi everyone! :) My... there's a lot of time sheets in here! :)
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Hi Annie, I see you've been
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Hi Annie, I see you've been busy at Einstein!
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
RE: you get 72 hours
)
Hey Annie here's another "time sheet" for you:
When I was a firefighter I got 4 days off, in a row, all the time!! I would work 24 hours on, then 24 off, then 24 on, then 24 off, then 24 on, then 96 hours off. So I would work for instance Monday, Wednesday and Friday, 24 hours each day with sleeping allowed after 8pm at night as long as the bells didn't go off, then I got 96 hours off, 4 days. After the 4 days off it became Wednesday, Friday and Sunday for work, then 4 days off. I worked 3 days out of 9 and it rotated like that for my entire 24 year career. They would print up calendars for us of 3 to 5 years at a time, just so we could schedule vacations etc, since the schedule never changed. There are places you can go online and see it for 10 years or more, just in case you wanted it. We had 3 shifts of people and we normally only saw each other at shift change in the mornings. But since there was a minimum staffing requirement we could see someone from another shift if they were 'rehired' to fill in for someone who was sick or whatever. 'Rehired' meant time and a half for the whole 24 hours and THAT was good money!! After 48 hours of being 'rehired' in one pay period though the taxes would eat us alive and the take home money percentage would drop ALOT!! That meant most people wouldn't do more then 48 hours per pay period.
The City normally only had 3 people extra per shift, so if someone got hurt, sick or whatever a 'rehire' would be needed. For doctors appts etc they would only need to 'rehire' for a few hours so we employees agreed with the City to put a 4 hour minimum if they 'rehired' anyone. I live 45 minutes from my old work, if they would 'rehire' me it wouldn't be worth my while to go in for less than 4 hours as travel time would kill me. It is only about 28 miles door to door, but traffic is NEVER good, except before 5am or when going against it.
RE: RE: That law also
)
Okay, I checked our rules. They don't actually say minimum rest, just know and comply with FRA rules. But the way we operate, it would be pretty rare for someone to be off less than 10 hours anyway. When guys do operate at night, they know they can't be on again in the morning. The other thing is, like you, maximum 6 consecutive days in train service; for us, this does not include dispatching or signal service. Not a problem, since most of us are only out on weekends.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
Aah a fireman... :) Is that
)
Aah a fireman... :) Is that schedule so everyone gets equal turns sliding down the pole? ;) Bickering over something like that would definitely undermine morale I think...
Had a family friend who was in the fire service. When he wasn't on duty he was either flinging himself: Off mountains clutching a hangglider; Into deranged rivers clutching a raft; or seeing how nearly he got could get wedged in underwater potholes.
He met his wife when she got her toe stuck in a bathroom tap (during what had started out as a relaxing soak and which then became a mixture of idle curiosity and boredom - during which the brainwave "insert toe into any available hole" came over her). I've never fully trusted my toes in a bath since...
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RE: I've never fully
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Dang bathtubs, dangerous objects. They should be banned!
Phil
There are these little mesh
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There are these little mesh caps that you can put over the tap end. Apparently this helps aerate the water ( FWIW ), but I think would have the inadvertent bonus of preventing toe capture. But toe-tap-insertion is believed to be very borderline stupid, and leads one to be marked down by your local emergency services as being in the "let's take our time and stroll to this call" category. They do have such lists you know and commonly they send newbie medics to such known addresses. This is denoted in paramedic circles as the Retard Tolerance Test ( RTT ). I hear that a new emergency crew graduate must attend a minimum of three (3) RTT's during their first year of service.
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
I prefer showers and it seems
)
I prefer showers and it seems that taking a *bath* is a girl thing
And about the only place I will stick my toes is inside a sock and then a shoe
But now I know why the wife keeps telling me to take that screen out of the faucet in the kitchen sink
I think as one gets older
)
I think as one gets older then you get adherent body parts eg.
- stuck hinges
- stuck valves
- stuck relays
... to which the best strategy is the comfy armchair from where, as Anniet indicates, True Science can be performed. One then accepts the position of said body components as they are. This I believe is a valid form of bio-efficiency and totally avoids tap holes as a side effect.
Cheers, Mike.
( edit ) My wife - on close interrogation - has indicated that the toe-in-tap phenomenon is restricted ( assuming that it happens at all ) to shorter women only. To be exact : she has never seen a case herself.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal