uploads don't show
2 Apr 2005 22:04:28 UTC
Topic 188845
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Have BOINC message:
Einstein@Home - 2005-03-28 05:09:55 - Finished upload of H1_0931.9__0932.1_0.1_T20_Test02_0_0
Yet online, under my account, "Results for user" it shows a server state as "In Progress" and "outcome" as unknown.
For your reference, this is work unit 641972.
uploads don't show
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> Have BOINC message:
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> Einstein@Home - 2005-03-28 05:09:55 - Finished upload of
> H1_0931.9__0932.1_0.1_T20_Test02_0_0
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> Yet online, under my account, "Results for user" it shows a server state as
> "In Progress" and "outcome" as unknown.
>
> For your reference, this is work unit 641972.
This is a two step procedure, first you upload the result and then it has to be reported. This happens the next time you contact the server or if it comes to close to the deadline.
You could also report the result by doing a manual update. In windows, boinc 4.19 go to the projects-tab and right-click the project you wish to update. Boinc 4.25 has the option to the left when you choose the project by left-clicking on it.
In response to my complaint
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In response to my complaint (below) that my workunit was uploaded but doesn't show up as completed, Holmis wrote:
"This is a two step procedure, first you upload the result and then it has to be reported. This happens the next time you contact the server or if it comes to close to the deadline. You could also report the result by doing a manual update. In windows, boinc 4.19 go to the projects-tab and right-click the project you wish to update. Boinc 4.25 has the option to the left when you choose the project by left-clicking on it."
In response I say (1) This has never occured before as a 2-step process [unless you mean "started upload..." and "finished upload" as the 2 steps? If so, as I indicated in the original post, I already had received the "finished upload" message];(2) I did the manual update anyway, which had no result; and (3) the "Outcome" column (now that the deadline has passed) is "NO REPLY." This is obviously a bug. My machine sucessfully completed the work unit, AND sucessfully uploaded it back.
> Have BOINC message:
>
> Einstein@Home - 2005-03-28 05:09:55 - Finished upload of
> H1_0931.9__0932.1_0.1_T20_Test02_0_0
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> Yet online, under my account, "Results for user" it shows a server state as
> "In Progress" and "outcome" as unknown.
>
> For your reference, this is work unit 641972.
>
Would make it a lot easier if
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Would make it a lot easier if you had your computers unhidden.....
Link to Unofficial Wiki for BOINC, by Paul and Friends
> In response I say (1) This
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> In response I say (1) This has never occured before as a 2-step process
> [unless you mean "started upload..." and "finished upload" as the 2 steps?
No. After uploading the state of the work unit changes to "Ready to Report" that is the second step.
As BamBam wrote: No. After
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As BamBam wrote:
No. After uploading the state of the work unit changes to "Ready to Report" that is the second step.
This is the way it usually works.
First you finish the result and it tries to upload. It says uploading under the worktab. When it's uploaded it changes to "ready to report" and waits for the next contact with the scheduler. This happens when requesting more work, doing a manual update of the project or the workunit comes within 24 hours (I belive) of it's deadline.
> In response I say (1) This
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> In response I say (1) This has never occured before as a 2-step process
You need to back off for a minute and realise that if you think it is not a two stage process (as perfectly correctly described by the other posters) then you are simply wrong and have failed to correctly observe what is actually happening. By following the WU ID that you gave, I can see precisely what has happened and I will try to explain it to you. Please pay attention :).
The WU you complain about (ID 641972) is what I call a "phantom". It was a work unit that the central server thinks it sent to you and which doesn't exist on your computer. I get these quite regularly and so do a lot of other people and if you search for "phantom work unit" I'm sure you'll get plenty of hits which will explain to you what causes them to occur. They are even explained in the FAQ. Apart from wasting resources in requiring replacements to be sent, they are relatively harmless.
The key bit of evidence if you look closely at your results list is that the cpu time is 0.00 seconds. Your box has spent absolutely zero time on this result, simply because it never had it in the first place. Notice also the next work unit above it (ID 641985) in the list. See how its "sent" time is just one minute later than the "phantom"? In layman's terms here's what happened. The server sent 641972 to your client. There was some sort of hiccup in transmission so it never arrived. A minute later your client got tired of waiting and asked again for more work. The server then sent 641985 which successfully arrived. You never ever had 641972 as a valid work unit on your computer.
> [unless you mean "started upload..." and "finished upload" as the 2 steps? If
> so, as I indicated in the original post, I already had received the "finished
> upload" message];(2) I did the manual update anyway, which had no result; and
> (3) the "Outcome" column (now that the deadline has passed) is "NO REPLY."
> This is obviously a bug. My machine sucessfully completed the work unit, AND
> sucessfully uploaded it back.
The above description tells me that you have simply not correctly observed the process. Go back and carefully read what the other posters have said. They are correctly describing the sequence of events that occur (if you read everything that various people have said).
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> > Have BOINC message:
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> > Einstein@Home - 2005-03-28 05:09:55 - Finished upload of
> > H1_0931.9__0932.1_0.1_T20_Test02_0_0
And this absolutely proves that you are wrong. Click on work unit 641972 and you will see it described as
H1_0931.9__0932.0_0.1_T20_Test02
Can you play spot the difference? 0932.1 versus 0932.0? Well how about that!!
The name you quote above actually belongs to work unit 641985 which you received as a replacement for the "phantom" and which was subsequently awarded credit.
Please be aware that in the above description, I've tried to show in great detail the power that is available to us to track the progress of particular work units and analyse what is really happening. It's not intended to be in any way a "put-down" towards yourself. I was interested in using "colourful" or "provocative" language to get people to read it closely by grabbing their attention as much as possible. It may look like I'm poking fun at you which I'm certainly not.
Cheers,
Gary.
Ok, I just composed a lengthy
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Ok, I just composed a lengthy reply to these posts and poof, I hit a wrong key (beats me which) and it's all gone!
To repeat briefly: Thanks all for very elaborate replies, and much digging. Very helpful, but still confusing (more).
Gary, you say that the actual WU my machine did (and got credit for) was 641985. Why can't I find that under "results"? Also, why are only a subset of all my results there (and I see no way to ask for more). At least I have a rannge of WU #'s that span 641985, so I should see it if it were there.
How do you find my WUs? I see no way to look at a particular WU, or trace as you did via a run name. In fact, I see very limited capability to do or check anything. In fact, where is is this BOINC summary box G Pascal O Cianaigh , PFC displays in his post? And why is my computer hidden? I did nothing to hide (nor unhide) it. I don't see that in the preferences either.
Where is all this stuff you are using?
> Ok, I just composed a
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> Ok, I just composed a lengthy reply to these posts and poof, I hit a wrong key
> (beats me which) and it's all gone!
shit happens...
> And why is my computer hidden? I did nothing to
> hide (nor unhide) it. I don't see that in the preferences either.
it is in your einstein account - 3. block, 2nd item: 'view or edit e@h prefs',
than 2nd Block, 2nd item: 'should einstein show your computers...'
it needs to edit your e@h preferences
it took me some time to find it, to say the whole bitter truth *g*.
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> Where is all this stuff you are using?
starting from your e@h account, following the links to 'view computers' you see your computer(s) and the WUs.
> > And why is my computer
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> > And why is my computer hidden? I did nothing to
> > hide (nor unhide) it. I don't see that in the preferences either.
> it is in your einstein account - 3. block, 2nd item: 'view or edit e@h
> prefs', than 2nd Block, 2nd item: 'should einstein show your computers...'
> it needs to edit your e@h preferences
> it took me some time to find it, to say the whole bitter truth *g*.
Cool, thanks. One down.
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> > Where is all this stuff you are using?
> starting from your e@h account, following the links to 'view computers' you
> see your computer(s) and the WUs.
Yes, that much I have, but it only shows 16 WUs out of about 60 I have completed. Don't know how to find the others. Nor can I find the one Gary referenced. Nor do I see how to just look up an arbitrary WU (or user) as he did me. And where did he find that WU I can't find? etc.
> > > > > > Where is all
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> > >
> > > Where is all this stuff you are using?
> > starting from your e@h account, following the links to 'view computers'
> you
> > see your computer(s) and the WUs.
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> Yes, that much I have, but it only shows 16 WUs out of about 60 I have
> completed. Don't know how to find the others. Nor can I find the one Gary
> referenced.
it probably is already deleted from the database - they delete it 1 to 2 weeks after validation to keep the db small.
> Nor do I see how to just look up an arbitrary WU (or user) as he
> did me.
you have limited access to other computers by following the link provided in the account - click on me - I won't get hurd *g*
to get to my account
then follow computers 'view' to get here . You get the last couple of WUs assigned to each computer by clicking on it.
> And where did he find that WU I can't find? etc.
sorry, I don't know - maybe the WU is deleted already, see above.