why my credits is ZERO after I done the result successfully?

fictiongl
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Topic 188394

http://einsteinathome.org/workunit/455647

Please check the above page for the detail information. Why my credits is ZERO although I have finished the work successfully? This is much defferent with the others in same work unit with my computer. They got 62.25 as the credit!!

How does this happen?

Gary Roberts
Gary Roberts
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why my credits is ZERO after I done the result successfully?

> http://einsteinathome.org/workunit/455647
>
> Please check the above page for the detail information. Why my credits is ZERO
> although I have finished the work successfully? This is much defferent with
> the others in same work unit with my computer. They got 62.25 as the credit!!
>
> How does this happen?

If you check the Result ID you will see that the Validate State is listed as "Invalid". In other words your answers didn't agree closely enough with the other two members of your quorum. Please understand the word "Success" just means that your box successfully completed the calculations, not necessarily that the answers were deemed to be correct.

One other point I've just noticed. You have three completed results, two of which took about 34,000 seconds. These two were fine. The invalid third result took pretty close to half that time (17,000 seconds). Why it labelled the result a "success" when it stopped half way, I don't know.

Cheers,
Gary.

lancer
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I have this too. 7 completed

I have this too. 7 completed results, of which 6 were invalid (3 still pending, but looking at the results I have a feeling that these will be invalid as well). I run it on my server, so it can run uninterrupted.

Any idea what's causing this?

Gary Roberts
Gary Roberts
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> I have this too. 7

Message 7676 in response to message 7675

> I have this too. 7 completed results, of which 6 were invalid (3 still
> pending, but looking at the results I have a feeling that these will be
> invalid as well). I run it on my server, so it can run uninterrupted.
>
> Any idea what's causing this?

In your case it's possibly because you are running linux and the validator which checks results for validity is being too strict. Prof Allen has said he is doing something about this (rewriting the validator I believe). If you want to know all about this go back to the message boards page and click on the keyword search link and type in "strict validator" and you are bound to get all the info.

Cheers,
Gary.

rklein
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I also experienced after

I also experienced after successful completion of a WU, that 0 credits were granted. I am running version 4.80, whereas the others were running version 4.79. The 4.79 version agreed on a result different from mine 4.80 result, so my result is belived to be invalid. To me, it looks like a version problem.

Workunits: 479635, 479634, 461975, 453202, 442121, 363318

Peter Koek
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Hallo rklein, I don't

Hallo rklein,

I don't think it's a version problem, I have checked your workunits, and I can see you are using "Linux 2.4.20-4GB" and the other WU members do have microsoft windows. Therefore I think you are having the same windows versus linux problems as others have. Your results are actually more accurate then the windows clients, however because you are the only linux computer in your work unit group, your result is marked as invalid.

domek
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Maybe this has something to

Maybe this has something to do with the time that the result is returned?

What happens when a correct result is submitted past the deadline date?

Peter Koek
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Hello Dornek, If a result

Hello Dornek,

If a result is reported past the deadline, you get 0 credit. But this is not the case for rklein, because all his results are reported BEFORE the deadline and still he gets 0 credit. However rklein does have a linux OS, whereas others of his WU group has not. Bruce reported yesterday, that this matter is now under investigation.

rklein
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> Hello Dornek, > > If a

Message 7681 in response to message 7680

> Hello Dornek,
>
> If a result is reported past the deadline, you get 0 credit. But this is not
> the case for rklein, because all his results are reported BEFORE the deadline
> and still he gets 0 credit. However rklein does have a linux OS, whereas
> others of his WU group has not. Bruce reported yesterday, that this matter is
> now under investigation.
>

Thanks for the answer. I hope this issue gets solved soon. It's a bit frustrating to get 0 credit for a successful calculation.

domek
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Hi Peter, I'm not quite

Hi Peter,

I'm not quite sure if the policy of allocating ZERO credit for a success result after the deadline is sensible.

Given that the results for each WU on einstein take so long (1/2 day on better then average hardware) and the fact that a lot of people using BOINC are encouraged to share their machines with different projects, BOINC clinet runs amuck when projects go up/down (like seti) and then unnecessarily requests TOO MUCH work that the client has no chance of finishing before the dealine! This is exactly the case that happened to me and probably a fair amount of other users as well.

For example if you share your CPU on a 50/50 basis and can process one einstein WU per day (average) what's the point of downloading 11 WU when their expiry is only 7 days. That's impossible for me to crunch, especially once the other project comes back online just long enough to dish out some more work!

Has any though been given to extending the dead line to a fortnight (like seti)?

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