I'll start with your part of the world and ask you a question. Why do you think there are so many micro breweries in the USA, and growing fast? 1500 at the last count. Because they are brewing REAL beer, not this top pressure rubbish keg stuff.
No idea, I pay no attention to them.
Well, can I suggest that you might care to take a look some time and try a bit of it, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Why do you think the phrase "lager louts" came about?
Beats me; I've never heard it.
The OED says :- A young man who behaves in a noisy, offensive, unpleasant, or violent way as a result of excessive drinking of alcohol.
‘police said he acted like a lager lout and hit an officer’
People were used to drinking weaker beer, until lager became popular with the youngsters in the 70's. But It is possible that it is a British phenomenon not experienced elsewhere.
Or even better to a beer festival, where your palate can taste just about anything to your hearts desire.
My heart has no such desire, and my palate would never forgive me if I did that.
Until you try it you won't know :-)
I think the Sweet Red with the cork is Bitter Creek or something like that. I've decided I can probably finish it, in small amounts.
If it's that much of a chore to force it down you, one wonders why you just don't pour it down the sink and be done with it, or cook with it? If it's financially based, I'll happily buy you a replacement bottle of something that you DO like, although by the sounds of it, it will be a rather small list to choose from :-))
Lastly your first statement. Yes I know it's a reverse procedure people, but in the best showbizz tradition, save the best until last*, always leave 'em laughing.
I still think beer is disgusting
Saying that to an Englishman is tantamount to saying to the Italians that Opera is rubbish, or to the Americans that all Texans are rednecks. You will expect to get a robust response :-)
* It is standard practice at a social do to always serve your best wines first to impress the guests. Later you can bring out the cheaper stuff, because by then their palates will be jaded, and they won't notice. Those that do will be drunk enough not to care anyway.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
If one cannot persuade a Chris S to like paella, Sir, might it not be reasonable to surmise that one cannot compel a David S to favour beer? ;-)
With respect to the British lager lout - the same beverages are available worldwide are they not? Take credit where it is due, Sir. It is, after all - well earned.
Inventions that solve problems!
They always seem such a good idea, don't they people...?
I detect an air of muffled foreboding here. ;-) As in, putting lead in petrol to quieten traffic noise?
They always seem such a good idea, don't they people...?
I detect an air of muffled foreboding here. ;-) As in, putting lead in petrol to quieten traffic noise?
Putting lead into petrol (gasoline) results in very toxic emissions. Especially harmful to children and babies. Methinks a better additive would be sugar...the emissions would be reduced to zero very quickly! Also solves the noise problem!
Yes, British Lager Louts are an embarrassment to the UK, mostly football fans it has to be said. No point in not admitting it.
Compel? Nobody said compel Sir. Gently persuade perhaps, even possibly suggest, whet the appetite even. But compel never. But when it comes to Iberia the gloves are off!!
As in, putting lead in petrol to quieten traffic noise?
Oh dear. Lead was added to petrol to help reduce engine knocking (pinking to the trade), boost octane ratings, and help with wear and tear on valve seats within the engine. It also allowed the ignition timing to be advanced further than with unleaded petrol, thus increasing vehicle performance. Due to concerns over air pollution and health risks, this type of petrol was phased out in the 1970’s and modern engines running on un-leaded fuel have hardened valve seats for the later fuel.
Many supermarkets now sell e-fuels which contain 5% ethanol. Older cars are not tuned for that stuff, and need regular super unleaded. I tried a tank full in my 1998 Z3 and it ran like a pig. I now use Shell V-Power which is recommended by BMW.
As to your abode Sir there is hardly any point having a car, it only has an area of 2.6 Sq miles. Having said that I have walked from Europa Point up to the top of the rock cafe, and then back down into the main town. Only wimps use the cable car!
Whilst working for General Motors as a shorthand typist, Mr S, (pre WW1) my Great Aunt was tasked with taking notes during meetings with prospective employees that had survived an earlier cull in their numbers. Thomas Midgely Jr was one. It was expressing his interest in developing a means by which the noise of the motor vehicle could be reduced that secured him his position with the company. We all know the "justifications" that can be found in places such as wiki, Sir ;-) and the claims at the time that the resulting fuel was safe - but not many knew the frequency with which Midgely was treated for lead poisoning during his years with the company.
A vehicle is of great use in leaving Gibraltar during the worst of the tourist high seasons - whether to the continent or the ferry to Tangier, both come highly recommended, Sir. :-)
I never liked beer until I was in Costa Rica. I fueled my boat and they did not have change for a $100. The fuel dock was also a bar. So I humorless said give me the change in beer. The brought 12 cases of Imperial, the national beer of Costa Rica. After about 3 days at sea I tried one. It was darn good. I think I made a good choice.
But back to wine. If you like sweet try a White Zinfandel. Sutter Home is pretty much available anywhere. And it's cheap. If you like it there are better ones to try.
I'll start with your part of the world and ask you a question. Why do you think there are so many micro breweries in the USA, and growing fast? 1500 at the last count. Because they are brewing REAL beer, not this top pressure rubbish keg stuff.
No idea, I pay no attention to them.
Well, can I suggest that you might care to take a look some time and try a bit of it, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Highly unlikely, and certainly nothing I would want to spend time or money on.
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The OED says :- A young man who behaves in a noisy, offensive, unpleasant, or violent way as a result of excessive drinking of alcohol.
‘police said he acted like a lager lout and hit an officer’
People were used to drinking weaker beer, until lager became popular with the youngsters in the 70's. But It is possible that it is a British phenomenon not experienced elsewhere.
It is certainly a British phrase. The word lager is not often used in US conversation unless said conversation is on the subject of beer. Lout is even less common in the US vernacular. Over here, police would say he was drunk and disorderly.
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Or even better to a beer festival, where your palate can taste just about anything to your hearts desire.
My heart has no such desire, and my palate would never forgive me if I did that.
Until you try it you won't know :-)
I suppose if I were at a place where such an event was occurring and I could partake at no cost to myself, I might try a sample of something that sounded interesting. But I still think I would put it down and say blecch after the first sip, if I even got past sniffing it. About a year and a half ago, I tried a bottle of (if I remember the name correctly) Angry Orchard Red Apple Ale and after a few sips gave the rest of it to a friend. The problem is, it still has that taste of fermentation that I don't like. Or maybe it's the hops. I don't know. I just know I didn't like it.
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I think the Sweet Red with the cork is Bitter Creek or something like that. I've decided I can probably finish it, in small amounts.
If it's that much of a chore to force it down you, one wonders why you just don't pour it down the sink and be done with it, or cook with it? If it's financially based, I'll happily buy you a replacement bottle of something that you DO like, although by the sounds of it, it will be a rather small list to choose from :-))
[edit] Correction: it's Liberty Creek, not Bitter Creek. [/edit] The purpose of the experimenting is to determine what, if anything, would be on such a list. Before you say something about giving beer the same opportunity, I think wine has a much greater chance of success. Also, to a large degree, I just want to know what I can order in a social situation if I feel the need to fit in. I don't plan to make it a regular habit (although it is supposed to be good for the cardiovascular system in small amounts). As to cooking, to be honest, in all my years I've never cooked anything in which wine was an ingredient. And as Alton Brown says, if you wouldn't drink it, don't cook with it.
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Lastly your first statement. Yes I know it's a reverse procedure people, but in the best showbizz tradition, save the best until last*, always leave 'em laughing.
I still think beer is disgusting
Saying that to an Englishman is tantamount to saying to the Italians that Opera is rubbish, or to the Americans that all Texans are rednecks. You will expect to get a robust response :-)
It is, and most of them* are. What you must realize is that not all Americans are Texans or speak with a Texas accent.
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Many supermarkets now sell e-fuels which contain 5% ethanol. Older cars are not tuned for that stuff, and need regular super unleaded. I tried a tank full in my 1998 Z3 and it ran like a pig. I now use Shell V-Power which is recommended by BMW.
Most US gasoline has 10% ethanol, ostensibly to reduce pollution and oil consumption, but really to support the price of corn. There has been an effort by environmentalists, supported by farmers, to raise that to 15%, but the refiners and their retailers protested that they don't have the infrastructure in place to carry another type of fuel, supported by the car makers saying cars are not designed for more than 10% and it would void everyone's warranties.
There is also E85, 85% ethanol, with very limited availability, but the car has to be designed for it and labeled Flex Fuel by the maker. The SUV I almost bought instead of my current one was Flex Fuel. The problem is your mileage (miles per gallon) is much lower and it's a toss-up whether the E85 or normal 10% is better in terms of miles per dollar.
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*One notable exception being Sue at Seti, although she's not a native, just a current resident.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
I'll start with your part of the world and ask you a question. Why do you think there are so many micro breweries in the USA, and growing fast? 1500 at the last count. Because they are brewing REAL beer, not this top pressure rubbish keg stuff.
No idea, I pay no attention to them.
Well, can I suggest that you might care to take a look some time and try a bit of it, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Hi Annie........I just
Hi Annie........I just stopped by here the other day to see if any of you shop at Arkwrights
I am pretty sure Mrs Bucket would never go there
Its summer here so I am busy even when I am asleep (4:23am)
I am just winning with no
I am just winning with no inventions to my name.
I'll start with your part of
Well, can I suggest that you might care to take a look some time and try a bit of it, you might be pleasantly surprised.
The OED says :- A young man who behaves in a noisy, offensive, unpleasant, or violent way as a result of excessive drinking of alcohol.
‘police said he acted like a lager lout and hit an officer’
People were used to drinking weaker beer, until lager became popular with the youngsters in the 70's. But It is possible that it is a British phenomenon not experienced elsewhere.
Lager history
Until you try it you won't know :-)
If it's that much of a chore to force it down you, one wonders why you just don't pour it down the sink and be done with it, or cook with it? If it's financially based, I'll happily buy you a replacement bottle of something that you DO like, although by the sounds of it, it will be a rather small list to choose from :-))
Lastly your first statement. Yes I know it's a reverse procedure people, but in the best showbizz tradition, save the best until last*, always leave 'em laughing.
Saying that to an Englishman is tantamount to saying to the Italians that Opera is rubbish, or to the Americans that all Texans are rednecks. You will expect to get a robust response :-)
* It is standard practice at a social do to always serve your best wines first to impress the guests. Later you can bring out the cheaper stuff, because by then their palates will be jaded, and they won't notice. Those that do will be drunk enough not to care anyway.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
If one cannot persuade a
If one cannot persuade a Chris S to like paella, Sir, might it not be reasonable to surmise that one cannot compel a David S to favour beer? ;-)
With respect to the British lager lout - the same beverages are available worldwide are they not? Take credit where it is due, Sir. It is, after all - well earned.
I detect an air of muffled foreboding here. ;-) As in, putting lead in petrol to quieten traffic noise?
Sir Rodney Ffing
Putting lead into petrol (gasoline) results in very toxic emissions. Especially harmful to children and babies. Methinks a better additive would be sugar...the emissions would be reduced to zero very quickly! Also solves the noise problem!
Seti Classic Final Total: 11446 WU.
Compel? Nobody said compel
Yes, British Lager Louts are an embarrassment to the UK, mostly football fans it has to be said. No point in not admitting it.
Compel? Nobody said compel Sir. Gently persuade perhaps, even possibly suggest, whet the appetite even. But compel never. But when it comes to Iberia the gloves are off!!
Oh dear. Lead was added to petrol to help reduce engine knocking (pinking to the trade), boost octane ratings, and help with wear and tear on valve seats within the engine. It also allowed the ignition timing to be advanced further than with unleaded petrol, thus increasing vehicle performance. Due to concerns over air pollution and health risks, this type of petrol was phased out in the 1970’s and modern engines running on un-leaded fuel have hardened valve seats for the later fuel.
Many supermarkets now sell e-fuels which contain 5% ethanol. Older cars are not tuned for that stuff, and need regular super unleaded. I tried a tank full in my 1998 Z3 and it ran like a pig. I now use Shell V-Power which is recommended by BMW.
As to your abode Sir there is hardly any point having a car, it only has an area of 2.6 Sq miles. Having said that I have walked from Europa Point up to the top of the rock cafe, and then back down into the main town. Only wimps use the cable car!
e fuels
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Whilst working for General
Whilst working for General Motors as a shorthand typist, Mr S, (pre WW1) my Great Aunt was tasked with taking notes during meetings with prospective employees that had survived an earlier cull in their numbers. Thomas Midgely Jr was one. It was expressing his interest in developing a means by which the noise of the motor vehicle could be reduced that secured him his position with the company. We all know the "justifications" that can be found in places such as wiki, Sir ;-) and the claims at the time that the resulting fuel was safe - but not many knew the frequency with which Midgely was treated for lead poisoning during his years with the company.
A vehicle is of great use in leaving Gibraltar during the worst of the tourist high seasons - whether to the continent or the ferry to Tangier, both come highly recommended, Sir. :-)
I never liked beer until I
I never liked beer until I was in Costa Rica. I fueled my boat and they did not have change for a $100. The fuel dock was also a bar. So I humorless said give me the change in beer. The brought 12 cases of Imperial, the national beer of Costa Rica. After about 3 days at sea I tried one. It was darn good. I think I made a good choice.
But back to wine. If you like sweet try a White Zinfandel. Sutter Home is pretty much available anywhere. And it's cheap. If you like it there are better ones to try.
Quote:Chris S_2 wrote:I'll
Highly unlikely, and certainly nothing I would want to spend time or money on.
It is certainly a British phrase. The word lager is not often used in US conversation unless said conversation is on the subject of beer. Lout is even less common in the US vernacular. Over here, police would say he was drunk and disorderly.
I suppose if I were at a place where such an event was occurring and I could partake at no cost to myself, I might try a sample of something that sounded interesting. But I still think I would put it down and say blecch after the first sip, if I even got past sniffing it. About a year and a half ago, I tried a bottle of (if I remember the name correctly) Angry Orchard Red Apple Ale and after a few sips gave the rest of it to a friend. The problem is, it still has that taste of fermentation that I don't like. Or maybe it's the hops. I don't know. I just know I didn't like it.
[edit] Correction: it's Liberty Creek, not Bitter Creek. [/edit] The purpose of the experimenting is to determine what, if anything, would be on such a list. Before you say something about giving beer the same opportunity, I think wine has a much greater chance of success. Also, to a large degree, I just want to know what I can order in a social situation if I feel the need to fit in. I don't plan to make it a regular habit (although it is supposed to be good for the cardiovascular system in small amounts). As to cooking, to be honest, in all my years I've never cooked anything in which wine was an ingredient. And as Alton Brown says, if you wouldn't drink it, don't cook with it.
It is, and most of them* are. What you must realize is that not all Americans are Texans or speak with a Texas accent.
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Most US gasoline has 10% ethanol, ostensibly to reduce pollution and oil consumption, but really to support the price of corn. There has been an effort by environmentalists, supported by farmers, to raise that to 15%, but the refiners and their retailers protested that they don't have the infrastructure in place to carry another type of fuel, supported by the car makers saying cars are not designed for more than 10% and it would void everyone's warranties.
There is also E85, 85% ethanol, with very limited availability, but the car has to be designed for it and labeled Flex Fuel by the maker. The SUV I almost bought instead of my current one was Flex Fuel. The problem is your mileage (miles per gallon) is much lower and it's a toss-up whether the E85 or normal 10% is better in terms of miles per dollar.
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*One notable exception being Sue at Seti, although she's not a native, just a current resident.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
Chris S_2 wrote: I'll start
Perhaps pay heed to a bit of beer history of the Chicago area where David resides. http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2012/01/beer-history-chicago-diversey-siebel-meister-brau-miller-lite-goose-island.html Small breweries are not a new phenomenon. You will also learn stouts and ales were common beer before the Germans came and brought their lagers. Of course just a few miles away is Milwaukee and their long proud brewing traditions. https://community.aarp.org/t5/Our-Front-Porch/The-Old-Breweries-that-made-Milwaukee-Famous-Our-tour-of-quot/td-p/141496
@David, if you don't like the taste of hops, I won't hold it against you.