preferences
14 Oct 2005 6:14:11 UTC
Topic 190009
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10/14/05 2:02:55 AM|Einstein@Home|Computer ID: 355163; location: home; project prefs: default
Why? I have preferences configured for project location specified.
This situation is peculiar to E@H only. S@H & P@H relect the proper preferences.
This doesn't make sense to me, it is called Einstein @ Home and NOT Einstein @ Default, right?
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Firstly, a couple of observations about your computers. You have four in your list but it looks very much like they are the one physical machine. Software glitches from time to time and also user actions can result in previous IDs being "lost" and new IDs being assigned to the one physical box. If this is the case for you, please use the "merge" function on the website to merge all your previous IDs into the current one. Do this progressively, by clicking on the smallest CPUID and selecting the "merge" function at the bottom of the page. Select the largest CPUID to merge it to. Repeat this for the three non-current computers.
When you set up your general preferences. you have a set of primary (default) preferences and three extra sets of separate prefs for "Home", "School", and "Work" which can also (optionally) be created. If you don't set up the extra ones, the primary (default) prefs will be used as default values irrespective of your chosen computer "location". The location setting (Home, School, Work) simply allows you to group multiple computers appropriately. If you only have one computer, there is not much point in fiddling around with different locations. It wont really achieve anything.
Another thing to be aware of. The preferences can be edited on the website of any of the projects you are attached to. The latest "edit" of your preferences on one website will replace an earlier "edit" on a different website. You have to be careful not to inadvertently modify preferences set on one website with later changes made on another. Are you setting preferences on multiple websites?
I'm really not confident that I understand what your problem is and I would be tempted to say "That's just the way BOINC works". However, after reading the above, if you can more clearly state your problem, I'll have another look at it.
Cheers,
Gary.
O.k. I seen what you were
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O.k. I seen what you were talking about, and that is like VERY weird. I rolled the CPUID's up to the top as you suggested.
With respect to preferences on multiple web-sites: yeah I'm guilty of that. I've manually carried the entries across boards however.
With respect to the location preferences, everything is blank or zero for all client's default preferences. @Home is the legit location for all projects. P@H & S@H reflect the correct location preferences, E@H did not.
10/28/05 4:35:08 AM|Predictor @ Home|Computer ID: 138141; location: home; project prefs: home
10/28/05 4:35:08 AM|Einstein@Home|Computer ID: 355163; location: home; project prefs: default
10/28/05 4:35:08 AM|SETI@home|Computer ID: 1196003; location: home; project prefs: home
RE: With respect to the
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OK, I now more fully understand what you are talking about. Can you do this for me. Please go to the Seti page for your computer and look down the bottom of the page where it says "Location". In the dropdown box there, is "Home" listed? Now do exactly the same on the EAH website and I think you'll find the dropdown box this time says "---". If it does, select "Home" through the dropdown arrow and then "Update" the page. Does this get you what you desire? Please report back what you found and what happened.
Edit: While I was browsing your results list I noticed that it's taking about 10 days between being sent the work in the first place and the result being returned. The result that is currently crunching was sent to you on 19 Oct 2005 11:01:26 UTC but work on it didn't start until 24 Oct 2005 21:25:54 UTC, which is over five days later. You could prevent work from becoming quite this stale if you are prepared to reduce your "connect to network" interval to about half its current value.
Cheers,
Gary.
You mean on the "Your
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You mean on the "Your Account" page, account statistics section, computers on this account? Both S@H & E@H show location to be "HOME".
Concerning that issue about work taking as long as it did to commence, well, the recent WU from E@H did begin processing, until P@H suddenly dropped a whole bunch of WU's with a complete date well before the E@H WU's.
RE: You mean on the "Your
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Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about. OK, next thing to check is "Your Account" -> "View or edit general preferences". On that page do you have separate sections visible for "Primary (default) preferences" and "Separate preferences for home"? Is the section for home preferences populated with values similar to the same section on your other projects' websites?
That part of your BOINC client which handles requesting new work and then organising the processing so as not to miss deadlines has undergone a number of improvements since your particular version (4.45). What you have is probably quite OK and will do the job but probably not with the skill that is now built into the latest versions. One thing that makes this scheduling job more difficult is a "connect to network" setting that is a bit too large. What have you got your value set to?
Cheers,
Gary.
I verified that default
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I verified that default preferences for E@H, P@H & S@H are identical, i.e., the value in each field was manually deleted and then the preferences were updated.
My connect to network is set for every 4 days.
Don't know what the deal was,
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Don't know what the deal was, but its straightened out.
Each of the projects default preferences had an entry "connect every X days" and there was a 4 in there. I deleted that 4.
Each of the projects @Home preferences has an entry "connect every X days" and there was and still is a 4 in there.
Then I installed BIONC v5.5.2.
Then I did an project update for Einstein. Its using @ Home preferences now.
Who knows, but maybe with all those CPUIDS I had out there, wacked something.
RE: I verified that default
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Yes, that's fine but what about a block of extra preferences following the default preferences. This block should be called "Separate preferences for home". Do you have one of those on the EAH website? If you don't, please create one and populate it with appropriate values, even if they are the same as the default ones. Then your original comment about EAH saying "location: home; project prefs: default" should be set to what you want to see.
That really is too large when you are supporting three projects. You will always have work that is going stale before it gets started. You are making it more difficult than it need be for BOINC to efficiently manage your work. Why don't you reduce it to 2 days for a while and see how it goes? You wont get such large dumps of new work all at one like you got from PAH recently. It really could be even smaller than 2 if you wanted but 2 days will be a significant improvement for a start. What type of internet connection do you have?
Edit: Your second message came in sometime after I started replying to your first one. I think you mean 5.2.5 and not 5.5.2 although I suppose you could mean 5.2.2 :). It doesn't matter as long as it's version 5 :). That was going to be my next recommendation so I'm happy to see that you've already done the upgrade. I still reckon that 4 days is too large for comfort. However it's really your choice as BOINC will cope - probably better in 5.X.X than 4.45.
Good luck!!
Cheers,
Gary.
I spoke too soon. E@H is
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I spoke too soon. E@H is back to default preferences.
With respect to your last reply:
"Yes, that's fine but what about a block of extra preferences following the default preferences. This block should be called "Separate preferences for home". Do you have one of those on the EAH website? If you don't, please create one and populate it with appropriate values, even if they are the same as the default ones. Then your original comment about EAH saying "location: home; project prefs: default" should be set to what you want to see."
I've stated several times that @ Home preferences have been configured for each project:
"With respect to the location preferences, everything is blank or zero for all client's default preferences. @Home is the legit location for all projects. P@H & S@H reflect the correct location preferences, E@H did not."
Anyways, in order to accomodate the job scheduling software, I've adjusted the network connect settings to every two days. The reason it was set to 4 days previously, was to ensure sufficient work when SETI goes down. I notice that there's a network activity based on preferences option that is now available. So I have that checked and we'll see how it goes. I used to have Dial-up, and since newtork connection invariably caused problems, I usually ran with network connection disabled. I manually enabled network connection whenever I had a block of results to upload. Now I'm on DSL, so that shouldn't be as big a deal.
The problem was never really a big deal, BOINC ran, but typically in panic mode: "computer overcomitted running earliest dead-line first" We'll see how it runs when I alter the WU cache setting, and the new network connection preferences.
I don't know what's going on
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I don't know what's going on with this thing. It clearly states project location: home, preferences: default. Then it goes on to say using preferences for Home.
Messages immediately post initial launch after booting:
10/31/05 11:33:31 AM|Predictor @ Home|Computer ID: 138141; location: home; project prefs: home
10/31/05 11:33:31 AM|Einstein@Home|Computer ID: 355163; location: home; project prefs: default
10/31/05 11:33:31 AM|SETI@home|Computer ID: 1196003; location: home; project prefs: home
10/31/05 11:33:31 AM||General prefs: from Einstein@Home (last modified 2005-10-30 00:44:31)
10/31/05 11:33:31 AM||General prefs: using separate prefs for home
10/31/05 11:33:31 AM||Remote control not allowed; using loopback address
10/31/05 11:38:17 AM|Einstein@Home|Deferring computation for result w1_0626.0__0626.3_0.1_T02_S4hC_3
10/31/05 11:38:17 AM||Resuming computation and network activity
10/31/05 11:38:17 AM||request_reschedule_cpus: Resuming activities
10/31/05 11:38:17 AM||Using earliest-deadline-first scheduling because computer is overcommitted.
10/31/05 11:38:18 AM|Einstein@Home|Restarting result w1_0626.0__0626.3_0.1_T02_S4hC_3 using einstein version 479
Messages subsequent to update request after altering @Home network connection preferences for all projects:
10/31/05 12:07:15 PM||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
10/31/05 12:07:19 PM|Einstein@Home|Sending scheduler request to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/EinsteinAtHome_cgi/cgi
10/31/05 12:07:19 PM|Einstein@Home|Reason: Requested by user
10/31/05 12:07:19 PM|Einstein@Home|Note: not requesting new work or reporting results
10/31/05 12:07:24 PM||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
10/31/05 12:07:24 PM|Einstein@Home|Scheduler request to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/EinsteinAtHome_cgi/cgi succeeded
10/31/05 12:07:24 PM|Einstein@Home|General preferences have been updated
10/31/05 12:07:24 PM||General prefs: from Einstein@Home (last modified 2005-10-31 12:01:58)
10/31/05 12:07:24 PM||General prefs: using separate prefs for home
10/31/05 12:07:24 PM||Resuming round-robin CPU scheduling.