Orwell arrived, but a bit late.

Mike Hewson
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Now it is not often that a straight out Catch-22 real life scenario comes along, so read on :

So the Feds have been trying DownUnda to rollout 'personalised health care records' ( PEHCR ) for the last 4 years. Allegedly the idea is to allow/introduce efficiencies if people want information available ( otherwise held in strict confidence within your local doctor's record system ) if they are away from their usual place of care. Emergencies, forgot to bring the ongoing prescription to the holiday resort, etc. So far so good ....

So the enactment is to have a service, web accessible, funded and operated by the Feds. Using Opera and Java. Secured by a 4-digit pin through a web portal. Holding whatever you choose to place there.

Very few have taken this up, bar some scattered test scenarios eg. nursing home residents, a captive audience who don't get off the premises much. So no surprise that no problems came to light during 'feasibility studies'. The punters generally don't trust either the internet or the Feds, a bit neck and neck as to whom has the least regard. Also no doctor wanted to be involved as the Feds required, and still do, the medicos personal liability on the accuracy of information once it becomes held by them ( on their premises, on their hardware, run by their staff .... ). Of course if you are unconscious from a car accident, who then quotes your secret 4 digit pin to retrieve data ?

So the current Fed health minister has signed off on an opt-out clause. For the very system that he decried as a bold intrusion on privacy a mere year ago ... when he was the shadow/opposition health spokesman. Meaning everybody is 'in' now, unless they choose to go 'out'. Except it's been kept hush-hush, so no one knows they have any option to exercise in any regard. The vast majority of Aussies have never even heard that such a system exists at all.

Now unbeknownst to me : the providers of clinical software were required, for their ongoing certification ( ie. the Feds have regulated the health industry's software production for some time ), to re-jig the usual interfaces & backend in order to make the PEHCR record creation ( for upload to the Feds ) easier. Except it applied a default pathway during a recent upgrade that actually, and erroneously, applied a filter to the database. With the effect that during normal consultations important information has been hidden from users ( the doctor sitting across from you ), that didn't know of the filter, nor how to un-apply it, due to lack of knowlegde of it's existence. One doesn't know what one doesn't know ....

[ BTW : the 'P' and the 'C' in PEHCR mean 'personalised' and 'control'. Now isn't there a Brere Rabbit story that matches here ? Or was it Through The Looking Glass. ]

The latest argument is - believe or not - that while the original aims of the scheme may not have been 'targeted well', there will be job losses if the scheme does not proceed ie. The Concorde/Western-Front excuse : "don't let the boys die in vain" etc.

Now call me paranoid if you wish, but :

- by both plebiscite, High Court challenge ( constitutional grounds ) and outright electoral failure to gain a mandate, an 'Australia Card' centralised identity register has been rejected on numerous occasions in the last 25 years.

- this system is now enabled to perform precisely that function, even if no health data is ever tabled by or for the punters.

Fortunately it doesn't involve illegal hacking of say, private mobile phones. Maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy. :-)

Cheers, Mike.

( edit ) Oooops. I forgot to mention. I can only legally reveal medical information ( on pain of litigation and complaint to those who register me ) if :

- the patient agrees.

OR

- a court order signed by a judge says so.

OR

- under oath in the Coroner's Court upon direct questioning by, or on behalf of, the Coroner.

I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...

... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal

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Orwell arrived, but a bit late.

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- under oath in the Coroner's Court upon direct questioning by, or on behalf of, the Coroner

The Secretary of U. S. Health and Human Services is the world's foremost authority in health issues, but you are way ahead in questioning corpses. Being out in the boondocks, your government is probably not aware of the smooth peaceful installation of a health care website and a system that everyone is crazy about here, except for a few that want to either repeal it or shut down the government.

Perhaps we can trade information. We can help you with passwords (tattoo on forehead)if you can share your corpse-questioning technique.

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Questions To Corpses ? Easy

Questions To Corpses ? Easy :

'Shake your head if you disagree with the following statement .... '

Tattoos : only if they have Gothic Regular font.

Cheers, Mike.

I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...

... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal

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I foresee problems if a

I foresee problems if a corpse has been decapitated to both of your suggestions.

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Well, we lack imagination and

Well, we lack imagination and positive thinking. Clearly.

The strangest thing was their incredulity watching us ROFLing at the mention of 'Opera', 'Java', 'web' and 4-digit PINs. In the same sentences.

Cheers, Mike.

I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...

... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal

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Here in the US, and probably

Here in the US, and probably elsewhere, they have been implanting RFID chips in animals for a long time now so they can be returned to their rightful owner if they ever stray. Some Nursing Homes and Health Care Systems are trying the same RFID chips on the elderly that tend to just walk out the doors so they can be returned to the proper facility when they are found out and about.

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RE: Here in the US, and

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Here in the US, and probably elsewhere, they have been implanting RFID chips in animals for a long time now so they can be returned to their rightful owner if they ever stray. Some Nursing Homes and Health Care Systems are trying the same RFID chips on the elderly that tend to just walk out the doors so they can be returned to the proper facility when they are found out and about.


Several years ago, an episode of CSI Miami demonstrated people with RFID chips as membership IDs for nightclubs (so they didn't have to carry a card in their form-fitting microdresses or have a visible ink mark (permanent or not)). Seemed plausible and realistic at the time, moreso than military/intelligence uses of them on NCIS.

David

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The strangest thing was their

The strangest thing was their incredulity watching us ROFLing at the mention of 'Opera', 'Java', 'web' and 4-digit PINs. In the same sentences

Your whole post needs less humor if you want me to take it seriously. I keep smiling when I should be sympathetic to an ally's health issues.

Whose incredulity? The injured? The ill? It's obvious THEY understood the link linking these internet tidbits but only the laughter was baffling.

And you can scrap those ideas about chips being implanted. They only work if the part with the inbed is still attached to the incredulous.

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OK, I just had to call this

OK, I just had to call this one in ..... clinical science in a nosedive :

Here's another breath of inanity from our fearless icons in our nation's capital. A clever bloke - let's call him Professor Bob from the ANU ( Aussie Numpty University ) - has been given ~ $200K over the last 2 + 1/2 years to arrive at this sole conclusion :

"there is a very high correlation between dementia and apathy"

That is, if you go to those residences where we place our loved ones you will find many that fit the language criteria of both 'dementia' and 'apathy' labels. This comes as no great surprise because government funding for those institutions ( as examined ) normally/effectively requires a diagnosis of dementia to be made prior to entry. The medical diagnosis of ( most variants of ) dementia includes apathetic behaviour as one of the diagnostic criteria.

This is one of the shortest loop tautologies that I have seen in a long time. About a half hour chat with a geriatrician could have readily cleared that up, and probably much more cheaply. I think that even Dr Google could have gone a long way on this one. My colleagues and I both chuckled 'nice work if you can get it' and cried 'that was my tax money'.

So may I humbly suggest further studies in other areas with similiar methodology :

- contract an astronomer to report upon the relationship between sunrise and the start of the day.

- studies on all red vehicles using a visual wavelength spectrometer, as we believe that relatively few blue photons are emitted from them. It is suspected that this traces back to processes performed during manufacture.

- how frequently a plane's wings lose lift as the airspeed goes below the stall limit. Scuttlebut suggests alot of this happening in the vicinity of airports.

But I'm sure there must be many others .....

Cheers, Mike.

I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...

... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal

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