New Work

[B^S] madmac
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Having trouble getting new work. The past few days around 20:00 hours after it has finished my last wu there is not another wu waiting so can anyone explain it please?

Richard Haselgrove
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New Work

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Having trouble getting new work. The past few days around 20:00 hours after it has finished my last wu there is not another wu waiting so can anyone explain it please?


You're on SETI as well (I replied to one of your questions earlier today), and by the look of your signature on lots of other projects too.

Is/are your processor(s) idle? If so, there's a problem - please give us some more information to help you solve it. If your processors are not idle - i.e. they're crunching something else - then BOINC is doing its thing, sharing the resources around - and will download Einstein when it's turn next comes round.

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Yep, you have probably been

Yep, you have probably been building up too much debt towards another project- meaning it didn't get the resource share it should and now your computer is trying to make up for that. For those people who have to know in detail there is a tool around called BOINC Debt Viewer, but I'm afraid I don't know the link because I just let BOINC do its thing... which is atm doing CPDN only ^^ so one more person didn't get Einstein WUs last night.

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RE: Yep, you have probably

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Yep, you have probably been building up too much debt towards another project- meaning it didn't get the resource share it should and now your computer is trying to make up for that. For those people who have to know in detail there is a tool around called BOINC Debt Viewer, but I'm afraid I don't know the link because I just let BOINC do its thing... which is atm doing CPDN only ^^ so one more person didn't get Einstein WUs last night.


Here's a link for BOINC Debt Viewer.

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Boinc client is 5.6.4. 2 CPU

Boinc client is 5.6.4. 2 CPU box, four projects attached (Einstein, simap, HashClash, Malaria). Two projects on 'no new work': HashClash and Malaria. simap is out of work. That leaves whole box for Einstein.

But:

03:25:55 2006|Einstein@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work
03:25:55 2006|Einstein@Home|Requesting 11 seconds of new work
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 505]
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Message from server: No work sent
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Message from server: (won't finish in time) Computer on 98.7% of time, BOINC on 100.0% of that, this project gets 0.1% of that
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|No work from project

Where this message came from? It's total nonsense. I have a resource share set to 1 for Einstein and 100 for simap. But with simap out of work, there's not a problem, and anyway, how could Einstein server know?

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RE: Boinc client is 5.6.4.

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Boinc client is 5.6.4. 2 CPU box, four projects attached (Einstein, simap, HashClash, Malaria). Two projects on 'no new work': HashClash and Malaria. simap is out of work. That leaves whole box for Einstein.

But:

03:25:55 2006|Einstein@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work
03:25:55 2006|Einstein@Home|Requesting 11 seconds of new work
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 505]
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Message from server: No work sent
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Message from server: (won't finish in time) Computer on 98.7% of time, BOINC on 100.0% of that, this project gets 0.1% of that
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|No work from project

Where this message came from? It's total nonsense. I have a resource share set to 1 for Einstein and 100 for simap. But with simap out of work, there's not a problem, and anyway, how could Einstein server know?

Boinc Client does not know that there is no new work from simap.
Boinc is just calculating 'Computer on x% of time' multiplied by 'BOINC on x% of that' multiplied by 'resource share'. This value (which in your case is less than 0.001) is used to calculate if the estimated end time will be reached.
Set SIMAP to 'no new work' also and Boinc will fetch WUs from E@H or increase the resource share for Einstein.

Udo

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RE: RE: stein@Home|Messag

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stein@Home|Message from server: (won't finish in time) Computer on 98.7% of time, BOINC on 100.0% of that, this project gets 0.1% of that

Boinc Client does not know that there is no new work from simap.
Boinc is just calculating 'Computer on x% of time' multiplied by 'BOINC on x% of that' multiplied by 'resource share'. This value (which in your case is less than 0.001) is used to calculate if the estimated end time will be reached.
Set SIMAP to 'no new work' also and Boinc will fetch WUs from E@H or increase the resource share for Einstein.

Boinc client of course knows there's no new work from simap, because it's asking periodically to get some. But that's beside the point.

simap = 100, einstein = 1

simap + einstein ... 100 + 1 ... 101 total share on the box

1/101 is 0.99%. How is 0.99% under 0.1%?

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RE: Boinc client is 5.6.4.

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Boinc client is 5.6.4. 2 CPU box, four projects attached (Einstein, simap, HashClash, Malaria). Two projects on 'no new work': HashClash and Malaria. simap is out of work. That leaves whole box for Einstein.

But:

03:25:55 2006|Einstein@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work
03:25:55 2006|Einstein@Home|Requesting 11 seconds of new work
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 505]
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Message from server: No work sent
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|Message from server: (won't finish in time) Computer on 98.7% of time, BOINC on 100.0% of that, this project gets 0.1% of that
03:26:00 2006|Einstein@Home|No work from project

Where this message came from? It's total nonsense. I have a resource share set to 1 for Einstein and 100 for simap. But with simap out of work, there's not a problem, and anyway, how could Einstein server know?

This is part of the scheduling process to try to present hosts from downloading more work then they crunch before the deadline. Einstein doesn’t know how much work you have from the other projects, so it calculates if you would finish in time without borrowing time from your other projects.
So: 60*24*14*0,987*0,001=19,9 minutes. So with your settings you would have to do a result in under 19,9 minutes to be allowed to download work.
But there is an exception to this rule. Your always allowed to have one result on your host. The problem is that the result will remain on your host until you have reported it, blocking you from downloading more work. The moment you finish the result it will start to upload and you will immediately try to download more work. But at this moment the upload isn’t finished so you cant report the result. Since you already got one result on your host, you wont get more work and will have to wait X min before contacting the scheduler again.

So what can you do? Suspend all projects that you have set to “no new work� that doesn’t have work left on your host. This way there not part of the calculation. Increase Einstein’s resource share a little.

Then you're really interested in a subject, there is no way to avoid it. You have to read the Manual.

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RE: RE: RE: stein@Home|

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stein@Home|Message from server: (won't finish in time) Computer on 98.7% of time, BOINC on 100.0% of that, this project gets 0.1% of that

Boinc Client does not know that there is no new work from simap.
Boinc is just calculating 'Computer on x% of time' multiplied by 'BOINC on x% of that' multiplied by 'resource share'. This value (which in your case is less than 0.001) is used to calculate if the estimated end time will be reached.
Set SIMAP to 'no new work' also and Boinc will fetch WUs from E@H or increase the resource share for Einstein.

Boinc client of course knows there's no new work from simap, because it's asking periodically to get some. But that's beside the point.

simap = 100, einstein = 1

simap + einstein ... 100 + 1 ... 101 total share on the box

1/101 is 0.99%. How is 0.99% under 0.1%?

Einstein + simap + Hash Clash + Malaria : 1+100+x+x = 0,1% for Einstein as long as you haven’t suspended any of the projects.

Then you're really interested in a subject, there is no way to avoid it. You have to read the Manual.

[B^S] madmac
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Download Boinc Debt Viewer,

Download Boinc Debt Viewer, Einsten is 1147.2, RNC is -1147.2, so debt was the course. Just started to do RNC so that must be the problem.

Pav Lucistnik
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RE: So what can you do?

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So what can you do? Suspend all projects that you have set to “no new work� that doesn’t have work left on your host. This way there not part of the calculation. Increase Einstein’s resource share a little.

Thanks, haven't knew that 'no new work' projects are still calculated in.

The real bug is that the client haven't attempted to ask for any work once all the jobs on the box were finished, and just let the box idling...

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