mmm banana cream pi...but Chipper, you assumed that the aliens will have knuckles! I know what you mean about mathematical constants. It's obvious to us, but who knows how an alien consciousness will perceive the world, what their science will be, what their maths will be. We can't guess cos we got human minds and we like pi.
That they might have knuckles is kind of a calculation, but you're right about the calculation being based on assumptions:
With Earth as a standard, I assume any alien world will contend with the same physics. I assume it will have the same kind of sunshine, and the same kind of dirt.
The calculation is also based on the idea that all possibilities will be quantum mechanically resolved into a single reality. I sort of covered this in the first assumption, but here I add that the mathematical asymptotic bounds and limits, the circumstances when they encounter division by zero errors, etc., will all be the same there as for Earth.
Speaking of asymptotes, I again use Earth as a standard, specifically referring to the creatures known as 'extremophiles'. While I don't mean to imply this as a limit to either possible forms or more extreme conditions, I use this as a variable to indicate that a world has one species that acts as stewards of the place, or like they otherwise own it. Why? They know how to calculate in advance when there will be zero pi. Actually, come to think of it, I have a stomach with alien e.coli, but it only ever thinks it's hungry, full, or upset. :)
Finally, and probably foremost, ('finally' and 'foremost', how did I do that? Jeeze, no more early first-thing-in-the-morning gotta-gather-my-wits posts for me. I'm down to 3 or 4 wits as it is), the aliens, after having calculated when the pi will run out, have to be able to efficiently do something about it. They need a thumb and opposable digits, caculably with knuckles. Either evolution from the dirt and the muck is evolution, or it isn't. There's certainly a math for it, although I don't know how well I've done with it. :)
So analize that, kind cafe folk, while I think about ... breakfast ... mmm ... the stomach's thinking waffles ...
Ohh, I don't know about pi, my stomach is angry with me this morning, maybe too much popcorn late last night. Waffles sound great, though.
How about it, Chipper, would there be a nominal phi involved?
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
Now serving up golden brown waffles, with a little melted butter and mmmMaple syrup, some blueberries and cream, and for the omnivores, links to feed your head, like the doormouse said... :)
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How about it, Chipper, would there be a nominal phi involved?
Maybe an abstract Xi, but only squared to figure the distribution. Like the Captain said, we don't accept tips, and besides, I was taught early on not to be good for money, but to always be good for nothing :)
well it's another lonely night in the EINSTEIN CAFE
those relativity blues just won't go away
my coffee cup is spinning like a big black hole
the bottom's down there somewhere, but nobody knows
i finally find the answer in my empty cup
but the mystery returns when i fill it back up
MR. EINSTEIN can you tell me where the coffee goes
the truth is out there somewhere, but nobody knows
RE: mmm banana cream
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That they might have knuckles is kind of a calculation, but you're right about the calculation being based on assumptions:
With Earth as a standard, I assume any alien world will contend with the same physics. I assume it will have the same kind of sunshine, and the same kind of dirt.
The calculation is also based on the idea that all possibilities will be quantum mechanically resolved into a single reality. I sort of covered this in the first assumption, but here I add that the mathematical asymptotic bounds and limits, the circumstances when they encounter division by zero errors, etc., will all be the same there as for Earth.
Speaking of asymptotes, I again use Earth as a standard, specifically referring to the creatures known as 'extremophiles'. While I don't mean to imply this as a limit to either possible forms or more extreme conditions, I use this as a variable to indicate that a world has one species that acts as stewards of the place, or like they otherwise own it. Why? They know how to calculate in advance when there will be zero pi. Actually, come to think of it, I have a stomach with alien e.coli, but it only ever thinks it's hungry, full, or upset. :)
Finally, and probably foremost, ('finally' and 'foremost', how did I do that? Jeeze, no more early first-thing-in-the-morning gotta-gather-my-wits posts for me. I'm down to 3 or 4 wits as it is), the aliens, after having calculated when the pi will run out, have to be able to efficiently do something about it. They need a thumb and opposable digits, caculably with knuckles. Either evolution from the dirt and the muck is evolution, or it isn't. There's certainly a math for it, although I don't know how well I've done with it. :)
So analize that, kind cafe folk, while I think about ... breakfast ... mmm ... the stomach's thinking waffles ...
[size = 13] I'm thinking pi
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[size = 13] I'm thinking pi in pitown.... [/size]
Okay, I know what not to do!
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Okay, I know what not to do!
RE: Okay, I know what not
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LOL. Welcome to the cafe Chuck.
You left the spaces in your tags, that's why it didn't work. :-)
Have some Pi, or Chipper's serving up waffles if you'd prefer.
Physics is for gurls!
Ohh, I don't know about pi,
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Ohh, I don't know about pi, my stomach is angry with me this morning, maybe too much popcorn late last night. Waffles sound great, though.
How about it, Chipper, would there be a nominal phi involved?
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
Now serving up golden brown
)
Now serving up golden brown waffles, with a little melted butter and mmmMaple syrup, some blueberries and cream, and for the omnivores, links to feed your head, like the doormouse said... :)
Maybe an abstract Xi, but only squared to figure the distribution. Like the Captain said, we don't accept tips, and besides, I was taught early on not to be good for money, but to always be good for nothing :)
RE: ... I was taught early
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Chipper,
How well I know! I've always suspected that when they constantly called me "Good for Nothing", they were complimenting me on my charitable nature. :-)
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
well it's nice to see that
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well it's nice to see that there is still some romulan ale left.
i guess i'm going to be here
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i guess i'm going to be here for awhile...so i might as well share this little poem i wrote.
EINSTEIN CAFE (relativity blues)
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well it's another lonely night in the EINSTEIN CAFE
those relativity blues just won't go away
my coffee cup is spinning like a big black hole
the bottom's down there somewhere, but nobody knows
i finally find the answer in my empty cup
but the mystery returns when i fill it back up
MR. EINSTEIN can you tell me where the coffee goes
the truth is out there somewhere, but nobody knows
RE: EINSTEIN CAFE
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A far away Land I came
That I don't care to relate
but It's so Bad it became lame
I take refuge here before I go insane....
I am no Poet so I'll Fly away Fly away...............
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