Gary,I suspended SETI, However, each of the other agents that are running provide the error message "communication deferred for X minutes" when asking for an update.
Robert,
Did you Update Seti on the Projects tab after suspending?
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
Sorry, I've had sleep and home duties to attend to so I've only just now seen all the extra messages.
@Colin & Lynette,
Very happy to see that suspending Seti has allowed new EAH work.
@Lynette,
As Bill explained and as you presumed, those messages are normal and nothing to worry about.
@Jim,
I must apologise for not being smart enough to realise what you were talking about when you kept mentioning "removing it from memory and restarting the crunching". It all seems so simple now and I'm kicking myself for not seeing the obvious at the time as I could have saved you a lot of heartache. In my defense, I always set the preference to leave apps in memory when they are preempted so I never see the messages you refer to. If I'd have seen an example in your original log post I'd have known immediately because the message starts with "Pausing result" and the bit about removing from memory is in brackets.
The only way that BOINC can honour your resource shares is to do a bit on one, then pause it, then start up another, then pause it, etc, etc. This is referred to as round-robin scheduling and BOINC keeps track of how much time each project gets.
I have read through your log and all your comments. Thanks very much for doing that - it must have taken you quite a time (which I could have saved you if I'd been smart enough). However, every cloud has a silver lining and in this case you have no doubt learned a helluva lot about BOINC in a short time :).
@Bill,
Thank you very much for stepping in like this with such a well crafted answer. I fully agree with your recommendations, particularly with respect to the 2nd CPDN unit. I really appreciate the time you spent explaining things to Jim and you did it so well, as usual. To others reading this, there is a lot of good information and good explanation of the inner workings of BOINC in Bill's messages. It's well worth the effort to read both the log and Bill's comments in depth.
@Jim,
Please keep us updated and please ask again if anything is troubling you. You have one remaining issue of how to make sure your internet connection is there when it is needed. BOINC is quite fault tolerant and will keep retrying these transfers until they complete. I don't know anything about dialup - I've never used it but there must be a way to have it dial your ISP when BOINC needs to upload/download.
Gary,I suspended SETI, However, each of the other agents that are running provide the error message "communication deferred for X minutes" when asking for an update.
Robert,
That's not an error message at all. It's an information message that is basically saying that, "You've just had a communication with the server with the results of that communication being listed in the previous n lines of messages so I'm just going to defer things for X minutes so that you don't accidently and totally unnecessarily hammer the server with another connection request". Does that make more sense to you now? Here is an example of what we need from you. This is taken from one of my machines right now:-
Quote:
10/12/2005 11:42:54 AM|Einstein@Home|Sending scheduler request to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/EinsteinAtHome_cgi/cgi
10/12/2005 11:42:54 AM|Einstein@Home|Reason: To report results
10/12/2005 11:42:54 AM|Einstein@Home|Reporting 1 results
10/12/2005 11:42:59 AM|Einstein@Home|Scheduler request to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/EinsteinAtHome_cgi/cgi succeeded
10/12/2005 11:42:59 AM|Einstein@Home|General preferences have been updated
10/12/2005 11:42:59 AM||General prefs: from unknown project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ (last modified 2005-12-09 07:43:23)
10/12/2005 11:42:59 AM||General prefs: using separate prefs for home
10/12/2005 11:43:04 AM|Einstein@Home|Deferring communication with project for 56 seconds
Here is the line by line explanation
* line 1 - A request is being sent to the EAH servers
* line 2 - There happens to be a finished result available so reporting it is a pretty good reason
* line 3 - 1 finished result is reported
* line 4 - The server tells us that everything succeeded
* line 5 - The server also happens to advise us there has been a preference change since last contact (I changed a pref on the website)
* line 6 - The pref was actually changed at Seti but flows through to all other connected projects
* line 7 - This machine is actually set up to use the "home" venue for its prefs
* line 8 - All comms complete - nothing more to do - get lost for at least 56 seconds.
The message I've quoted was taken from the BOINC Manager messages window by selecting the lines I wanted and hitting the "Copy selected lines" button. The lines are copied to the clipboard and then I pasted them into this message. That's all Bill was trying to get you to do.
Before you reply with the messages we need, send a quick response telling us exactly which projects you are subscribed to, their respective resource shares, and which of them actually have work according to your work tab.
Everything is going well now, just 2 more units to update for SETI then hopefully all will be back to the norm...
Just reading through all the questions & Answers explains a lot, cant say I understand it all, but at least when I look at my messages they make more sense now.
All went pear shaped again yesterday, had to download those updates a second time but seemed to work after that... but can you tell me what this error message means..??
14/12/2005 13:58:25|SETI@home|Aborting result 28se04ab.26549.401.922168.169_3: exceeded disk limit: 25511331.000000 > 500000.000000
14/12/2005 13:58:25|SETI@home|Unrecoverable error for result 28se04ab.26549.401.922168.169_3 (Maximum disk usage exceeded)
Do I need to do anything... it all seems to be ok,
All went pear shaped again yesterday, had to download those updates a second time but seemed to work after that... but can you tell me what this error message means..??
14/12/2005 13:58:25|SETI@home|Aborting result 28se04ab.26549.401.922168.169_3: exceeded disk limit: 25511331.000000 > 500000.000000
14/12/2005 13:58:25|SETI@home|Unrecoverable error for result 28se04ab.26549.401.922168.169_3 (Maximum disk usage exceeded)
Do I need to do anything... it all seems to be ok,
Lynette
Lynette,
You'll have to either make some more hard disk space available (delete/compress some files OR adjust some preferences. First thing I'd suggest is to empty your recycle bin, then do a DiskClean (Right-click your C drive, or whatever drive Boinc folder is located, click "properties", click "Disk Cleanup" button, OK,...
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
Beleive it or not I thought of all that before I posted the question... and I am running window washer... you will be telling me to hit ctrl - alt - delete and re-boot next dear! I am on a works computer with a lot of spare capacity which is why I thought the message a little strange... all my work files are stored on a main server, not even on this PC and BOINC is localised to the hard drive of this unit only
Lynette,
You'll have to either make some more hard disk space available (delete/compress some files OR adjust some preferences. First thing I'd suggest is to empty your recycle bin, then do a DiskClean (Right-click your C drive, or whatever drive Boinc folder is located, click "properties", click "Disk Cleanup" button, OK,...
Beleive it or not I thought of all that before I posted the question... and I am running window washer... you will be telling me to hit ctrl - alt - delete and re-boot next dear! I am on a works computer with a lot of spare capacity which is why I thought the message a little strange... all my work files are stored on a main server, not even on this PC and BOINC is localised to the hard drive of this unit only
Sorry, Lynette. I assume nothing and start at square One. The second thing I mentioned is General preference/Disk and memory usage settings. Boinc is somewhat claustrophobic, wants to think it has all the room in the world, though it will never use any more than it needs - less than 1GB. Gary has a good post on the subject in this forum, thread "disk space", here.
Regards,
Michael
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
Lynette, this is a SETI error, and I seem to recall it SOMETIMES has nothing to do with your available disk space (or the preference, which is much more likely than 'real' space problems), but rather that the result had "so many" signals that didn't quite kick over into "noise" (and cause it to abort early) that it literally hit an internal limit on how much space an output file is allowed to have. You might post over there, where someone is more likely to know, especially if you get another one of these, but if it's just the one-time-thing, I'd just not worry about it.
RE: Gary,I suspended SETI,
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Robert,
Did you Update Seti on the Projects tab after suspending?
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
To Bill, Jim, Colin and
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To Bill, Jim, Colin and Lynette,
Sorry, I've had sleep and home duties to attend to so I've only just now seen all the extra messages.
@Colin & Lynette,
Very happy to see that suspending Seti has allowed new EAH work.
@Lynette,
As Bill explained and as you presumed, those messages are normal and nothing to worry about.
@Jim,
I must apologise for not being smart enough to realise what you were talking about when you kept mentioning "removing it from memory and restarting the crunching". It all seems so simple now and I'm kicking myself for not seeing the obvious at the time as I could have saved you a lot of heartache. In my defense, I always set the preference to leave apps in memory when they are preempted so I never see the messages you refer to. If I'd have seen an example in your original log post I'd have known immediately because the message starts with "Pausing result" and the bit about removing from memory is in brackets.
The only way that BOINC can honour your resource shares is to do a bit on one, then pause it, then start up another, then pause it, etc, etc. This is referred to as round-robin scheduling and BOINC keeps track of how much time each project gets.
I have read through your log and all your comments. Thanks very much for doing that - it must have taken you quite a time (which I could have saved you if I'd been smart enough). However, every cloud has a silver lining and in this case you have no doubt learned a helluva lot about BOINC in a short time :).
@Bill,
Thank you very much for stepping in like this with such a well crafted answer. I fully agree with your recommendations, particularly with respect to the 2nd CPDN unit. I really appreciate the time you spent explaining things to Jim and you did it so well, as usual. To others reading this, there is a lot of good information and good explanation of the inner workings of BOINC in Bill's messages. It's well worth the effort to read both the log and Bill's comments in depth.
@Jim,
Please keep us updated and please ask again if anything is troubling you. You have one remaining issue of how to make sure your internet connection is there when it is needed. BOINC is quite fault tolerant and will keep retrying these transfers until they complete. I don't know anything about dialup - I've never used it but there must be a way to have it dial your ISP when BOINC needs to upload/download.
Cheers,
Gary.
RE: Gary,I suspended SETI,
)
Robert,
That's not an error message at all. It's an information message that is basically saying that, "You've just had a communication with the server with the results of that communication being listed in the previous n lines of messages so I'm just going to defer things for X minutes so that you don't accidently and totally unnecessarily hammer the server with another connection request". Does that make more sense to you now? Here is an example of what we need from you. This is taken from one of my machines right now:-
Here is the line by line explanation
* line 2 - There happens to be a finished result available so reporting it is a pretty good reason
* line 3 - 1 finished result is reported
* line 4 - The server tells us that everything succeeded
* line 5 - The server also happens to advise us there has been a preference change since last contact (I changed a pref on the website)
* line 6 - The pref was actually changed at Seti but flows through to all other connected projects
* line 7 - This machine is actually set up to use the "home" venue for its prefs
* line 8 - All comms complete - nothing more to do - get lost for at least 56 seconds.
The message I've quoted was taken from the BOINC Manager messages window by selecting the lines I wanted and hitting the "Copy selected lines" button. The lines are copied to the clipboard and then I pasted them into this message. That's all Bill was trying to get you to do.
Before you reply with the messages we need, send a quick response telling us exactly which projects you are subscribed to, their respective resource shares, and which of them actually have work according to your work tab.
Cheers,
Gary.
Thanks Gary... Everything
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Thanks Gary...
Everything is going well now, just 2 more units to update for SETI then hopefully all will be back to the norm...
Just reading through all the questions & Answers explains a lot, cant say I understand it all, but at least when I look at my messages they make more sense now.
Thank you again
(and Bill)
Lynette
HI.. All went pear shaped
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HI..
All went pear shaped again yesterday, had to download those updates a second time but seemed to work after that... but can you tell me what this error message means..??
14/12/2005 13:58:25|SETI@home|Aborting result 28se04ab.26549.401.922168.169_3: exceeded disk limit: 25511331.000000 > 500000.000000
14/12/2005 13:58:25|SETI@home|Unrecoverable error for result 28se04ab.26549.401.922168.169_3 (Maximum disk usage exceeded)
Do I need to do anything... it all seems to be ok,
Lynette
RE: HI.. All went pear
)
Lynette,
You'll have to either make some more hard disk space available (delete/compress some files OR adjust some preferences. First thing I'd suggest is to empty your recycle bin, then do a DiskClean (Right-click your C drive, or whatever drive Boinc folder is located, click "properties", click "Disk Cleanup" button, OK,...
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
RE: Beleive it or not I
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RE: Beleive it or not I
)
Sorry, Lynette. I assume nothing and start at square One. The second thing I mentioned is General preference/Disk and memory usage settings. Boinc is somewhat claustrophobic, wants to think it has all the room in the world, though it will never use any more than it needs - less than 1GB. Gary has a good post on the subject in this forum, thread "disk space", here.
Regards,
Michael
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
Lynette, this is a SETI
)
Lynette, this is a SETI error, and I seem to recall it SOMETIMES has nothing to do with your available disk space (or the preference, which is much more likely than 'real' space problems), but rather that the result had "so many" signals that didn't quite kick over into "noise" (and cause it to abort early) that it literally hit an internal limit on how much space an output file is allowed to have. You might post over there, where someone is more likely to know, especially if you get another one of these, but if it's just the one-time-thing, I'd just not worry about it.
Hi, Well its all ok this
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Hi,
Well its all ok this morning so I guess its just a one time thing, thanks for your advice.... always gratefully received.
Lynette