After 11+ years at SETI, my cache has finally run dry. Many, many problems over at SETI. So, this morning I decided to give the i7 some new work to deal with, 1.68GB of work to deal with at that. As of a few minutes ago, my RAC is >0 on the left side of the decimal point. Woohoo! :) Been some years since I crunched for Einstein. I'm baaaaaaack! :)
I just came over from SETI last night. I'm all the way up to 200 total credit and a RAC of 19.39. So far I've done 4 WUs, three of them still in pending. :-)
I just came over from SETI last night. I'm all the way up to 200 total credit and a RAC of 19.39. So far I've done 4 WUs, three of them still in pending. :-)
Greetings Perryjay,
Well, I'm not so sure that I made the right decision to re-start Einstein. :(
[off-topic]
When I first built this i7 PC, I noticed a weird thing happening. My mouse cursor would suddenly jump from one spot of the screen to another. I would be in a text editor or most any program that required scrolling and the content would scroll on it's own. I would be on a website and suddenly, while reading a page, I would be back a page or 2 as if I had hit the back button, which I hadn't. I concluded that that problem was somehow related to my new PCI-E video card.
Then I re-attached to Einstein and my i7 really started acting weird. The system would really freak out. The Windoze start button would lose the label "Start". Browser tabs would lose their labels. After shutting down a program it would take quite some time for the window to go away. I even woke up one morning and turned the monitor on only to be greeted with the WinXP Pro screen saver. I don't use screen savers. The system was whacked beyond usage. The i7 even decided to re-boot all on its own once, the other day. I would see that waiting Einstein WUs would be "Waiting for memory".
I was hoping that maybe the video card was getting worse, so I bought a new one yesterday and replaced the "old" one. That fixed the first anomalous observations mentioned above. But, the others are still happening. So, Einstein is set to NNT and once my 200+ WUs are completed, I will not run Einstein and see if the problems disappear. If they do, I won't run Einstein again. If they don't, then I will have to dig deeper since that will tell me there is something else wrong. I did not have this problem when I was running SETI. So, you can see why I suspect that somehow Einstein is causing it.
It probably would not happen if this was a BOINC dedicated PC, but it's not, I do quite a bit of other work on it. Doing so caused no problems when running SETI alone. I'm taking a big chance, right now, by posting in this forum.
Maybe I can work with my BOINC settings and get this straightened out. Who knows? :)
[on-topic]
My Einstein RAC is the highest ever for the project, over 3K, and I have passed the 200K mark on total credits. Woohoo! :) (For what it's worth)
I just came over from SETI last night. I'm all the way up to 200 total credit and a RAC of 19.39. So far I've done 4 WUs, three of them still in pending. :-)
Greetings Perryjay,
Well, I'm not so sure that I made the right decision to re-start Einstein. :(
[off-topic]
When I first built this i7 PC, I noticed a weird thing happening. My mouse cursor would suddenly jump from one spot of the screen to another. I would be in a text editor or most any program that required scrolling and the content would scroll on it's own. I would be on a website and suddenly, while reading a page, I would be back a page or 2 as if I had hit the back button, which I hadn't. I concluded that that problem was somehow related to my new PCI-E video card.
Then I re-attached to Einstein and my i7 really started acting weird. The system would really freak out. The Windoze start button would lose the label "Start". Browser tabs would lose their labels. After shutting down a program it would take quite some time for the window to go away. I even woke up one morning and turned the monitor on only to be greeted with the WinXP Pro screen saver. I don't use screen savers. The system was whacked beyond usage. The i7 even decided to re-boot all on its own once, the other day. I would see that waiting Einstein WUs would be "Waiting for memory".
I was hoping that maybe the video card was getting worse, so I bought a new one yesterday and replaced the "old" one. That fixed the first anomalous observations mentioned above. But, the others are still happening. So, Einstein is set to NNT and once my 200+ WUs are completed, I will not run Einstein and see if the problems disappear. If they do, I won't run Einstein again. If they don't, then I will have to dig deeper since that will tell me there is something else wrong. I did not have this problem when I was running SETI. So, you can see why I suspect that somehow Einstein is causing it.
It probably would not happen if this was a BOINC dedicated PC, but it's not, I do quite a bit of other work on it. Doing so caused no problems when running SETI alone. I'm taking a big chance, right now, by posting in this forum.
Maybe I can work with my BOINC settings and get this straightened out. Who knows? :)
[on-topic]
My Einstein RAC is the highest ever for the project, over 3K, and I have passed the 200K mark on total credits. Woohoo! :) (For what it's worth)
Have a great day Perryjay! :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :)
This part " I would see that waiting Einstein WUs would be "Waiting for memory"." can be easily fixed it you just go into the Boinc Manager and click on Advanced, Preferences the nthe processor usage tab and change the number in the box that says
'While processor is less than [___] percent (0 means no restriction)'
Put a zero in that box and then click ok at the bottom and your pc will no longer wait for the cpu to fall below that numbers percentage of usage before crunching. In effect what it is doing is telling the cpu it is not busy it can crunch and busy means X%. By putting a zero in that box you are telling the pc to always crunch, but since Boinc runs at such a low priority other things bump it to the way background anyway.
You might also want to think about putting time restrictions on Boinc, so if you are busy and using the pc all day long you say do not crunch between 8 am and 6 pm, that is a setting under the nect tab, network usage. Always remember to click the ok button to save any changes and the changes are for THAT PC ONLY, not for any other pc!
This part " I would see that waiting Einstein WUs would be "Waiting for memory"." can be easily fixed it you just go into the Boinc Manager and click on Advanced, Preferences the nthe processor usage tab and change the number in the box that says
'While processor is less than [___] percent (0 means no restriction)'...
Wrong preference!!!
For "Waiting for memory" messages, adjust the
Memory: when computer is in use, use at most __% of total
Memory: when computer is not in use, use at most __% of total
preferences.
Gruß,
Gundolf
Computer sind nicht alles im Leben. (Kleiner Scherz)
Mikey/Gundolf, I think your fix for einstien will only make the rest of Siran's problems worse. A lot of what he's describing with his computer being very laggy, sounds like it's having to hit the swap file for his other apps/os tasks. Increasing the amount of memory Einstein can use will get the WU's running but make his computer run even slower.
Einstein work units are memory intensive. The ABP2 ones aren't that bad at 50MB each, but the S5GCE ones take about 250MB each. On an i7 with HT enabled that's a memory footprint as high as 2GB of ram, and since Siran's computer only has 3GB available that leaves only 1GB free for everything else. On a heavily used system that's not much.
Siran: at this point I think unless you're willing to upgrade to a 64bit OS, and install more memory I don't think Einstein will be a good choice for you to run on all your cores at once. With your current system I'd suggest either limiting Einstien to between 2 and 4 cores and running a different, lighter project on the rest; or switching Einstein out for something else entirely.
Maybe I can work with my BOINC settings and get this straightened out. Who knows? :)
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This part " I would see that waiting Einstein WUs would be "Waiting for memory"." can be easily fixed it you just go into the Boinc Manager and click on Advanced, Preferences the nthe processor usage tab and change the number in the box that says
'While processor is less than [___] percent (0 means no restriction)'
Put a zero in that box and then click ok at the bottom and your pc will no longer wait for the cpu to fall below that numbers percentage of usage before crunching. In effect what it is doing is telling the cpu it is not busy it can crunch and busy means X%. By putting a zero in that box you are telling the pc to always crunch, but since Boinc runs at such a low priority other things bump it to the way background anyway.
You might also want to think about putting time restrictions on Boinc, so if you are busy and using the pc all day long you say do not crunch between 8 am and 6 pm, that is a setting under the nect tab, network usage. Always remember to click the ok button to save any changes and the changes are for THAT PC ONLY, not for any other pc!
Greetings Mikey,
When I first saw the problems, after starting to crunch Einstein again, I had made the first setting change.
As for the second suggestion, I would have to re-boot every time I want to restart BOINC. If I stop it, BOINC will no longer make a connection with the localhost when trying to re-start. If I snooze BOINC, the science clients will not go back to work, even though BOINC tells me they are running. I verified this with task manager and found no clients running. The only way I can get it to re-connect and working again is to re-boot.
My solution is simple: I am making this post on my Linux PC, with BOINC running, crunching some last minute WUs I got from SETI. Other than the system, BOINC is the only thing running on my i7. If I have to do something on the i7, that I cannot do on this PC, I will shut down BOINC, do what I need to do, then when done, re-boot to get BOINC started again. I will do this until the last Einstein WU has completed. Then I will resume doing what I would normally be doing on the i7 and see if the problem go away. If it does, no more Einstein, if not, well, then I will have to dig deeper to find a cause for the problem. I did not have this drastic a problem with running SETI. I have had minor ones, but nothing that affected my whole system.
And by the way, Mikey, I'm not a n00b at running BOINC or any program on a PC. I know to click "OK" when changing a setting or whatever. I've been working with computers since the dark days of M$-DOG. ;)
This part " I would see that waiting Einstein WUs would be "Waiting for memory"." can be easily fixed it you just go into the Boinc Manager and click on Advanced, Preferences the nthe processor usage tab and change the number in the box that says
'While processor is less than [___] percent (0 means no restriction)'...
Wrong preference!!!
For "Waiting for memory" messages, adjust the
Memory: when computer is in use, use at most __% of total
Memory: when computer is not in use, use at most __% of total
preferences.
Gruß,
Gundolf
Greetings Gundolf,
I have those 2 settings set to 50% and 90% respectively. I was using those settings to help regulate the CPU temp before I got my liquid CPU cooler. I only lowered the first one to 50% when I discovered this problem after starting with Einstein again. Would lowering the second one also be of some possible help?
Made it to my first million
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Made it to my first million here, my 7th million+ project!
-Dave
Greetings, After 11+ years
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Greetings,
After 11+ years at SETI, my cache has finally run dry. Many, many problems over at SETI. So, this morning I decided to give the i7 some new work to deal with, 1.68GB of work to deal with at that. As of a few minutes ago, my RAC is >0 on the left side of the decimal point. Woohoo! :) Been some years since I crunched for Einstein. I'm baaaaaaack! :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :)
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]
Finally cracked 5 million for
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Finally cracked 5 million for Einstein. Also got the RAC over 10,000. Yaaa!
BOINC blog
Hi Siran, I just came over
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Hi Siran,
I just came over from SETI last night. I'm all the way up to 200 total credit and a RAC of 19.39. So far I've done 4 WUs, three of them still in pending. :-)
PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC
RE: Hi Siran, I just came
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Greetings Perryjay,
Well, I'm not so sure that I made the right decision to re-start Einstein. :(
[off-topic]
When I first built this i7 PC, I noticed a weird thing happening. My mouse cursor would suddenly jump from one spot of the screen to another. I would be in a text editor or most any program that required scrolling and the content would scroll on it's own. I would be on a website and suddenly, while reading a page, I would be back a page or 2 as if I had hit the back button, which I hadn't. I concluded that that problem was somehow related to my new PCI-E video card.
Then I re-attached to Einstein and my i7 really started acting weird. The system would really freak out. The Windoze start button would lose the label "Start". Browser tabs would lose their labels. After shutting down a program it would take quite some time for the window to go away. I even woke up one morning and turned the monitor on only to be greeted with the WinXP Pro screen saver. I don't use screen savers. The system was whacked beyond usage. The i7 even decided to re-boot all on its own once, the other day. I would see that waiting Einstein WUs would be "Waiting for memory".
I was hoping that maybe the video card was getting worse, so I bought a new one yesterday and replaced the "old" one. That fixed the first anomalous observations mentioned above. But, the others are still happening. So, Einstein is set to NNT and once my 200+ WUs are completed, I will not run Einstein and see if the problems disappear. If they do, I won't run Einstein again. If they don't, then I will have to dig deeper since that will tell me there is something else wrong. I did not have this problem when I was running SETI. So, you can see why I suspect that somehow Einstein is causing it.
It probably would not happen if this was a BOINC dedicated PC, but it's not, I do quite a bit of other work on it. Doing so caused no problems when running SETI alone. I'm taking a big chance, right now, by posting in this forum.
Maybe I can work with my BOINC settings and get this straightened out. Who knows? :)
[on-topic]
My Einstein RAC is the highest ever for the project, over 3K, and I have passed the 200K mark on total credits. Woohoo! :) (For what it's worth)
Have a great day Perryjay! :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :)
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]
RE: RE: Hi Siran, I just
)
This part " I would see that waiting Einstein WUs would be "Waiting for memory"." can be easily fixed it you just go into the Boinc Manager and click on Advanced, Preferences the nthe processor usage tab and change the number in the box that says
'While processor is less than [___] percent (0 means no restriction)'
Put a zero in that box and then click ok at the bottom and your pc will no longer wait for the cpu to fall below that numbers percentage of usage before crunching. In effect what it is doing is telling the cpu it is not busy it can crunch and busy means X%. By putting a zero in that box you are telling the pc to always crunch, but since Boinc runs at such a low priority other things bump it to the way background anyway.
You might also want to think about putting time restrictions on Boinc, so if you are busy and using the pc all day long you say do not crunch between 8 am and 6 pm, that is a setting under the nect tab, network usage. Always remember to click the ok button to save any changes and the changes are for THAT PC ONLY, not for any other pc!
RE: This part " I would see
)
Wrong preference!!!
For "Waiting for memory" messages, adjust the
preferences.
Gruß,
Gundolf
Computer sind nicht alles im Leben. (Kleiner Scherz)
Mikey/Gundolf, I think your
)
Mikey/Gundolf, I think your fix for einstien will only make the rest of Siran's problems worse. A lot of what he's describing with his computer being very laggy, sounds like it's having to hit the swap file for his other apps/os tasks. Increasing the amount of memory Einstein can use will get the WU's running but make his computer run even slower.
Einstein work units are memory intensive. The ABP2 ones aren't that bad at 50MB each, but the S5GCE ones take about 250MB each. On an i7 with HT enabled that's a memory footprint as high as 2GB of ram, and since Siran's computer only has 3GB available that leaves only 1GB free for everything else. On a heavily used system that's not much.
Siran: at this point I think unless you're willing to upgrade to a 64bit OS, and install more memory I don't think Einstein will be a good choice for you to run on all your cores at once. With your current system I'd suggest either limiting Einstien to between 2 and 4 cores and running a different, lighter project on the rest; or switching Einstein out for something else entirely.
RE: RE: RE: -[ snip
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Greetings Mikey,
When I first saw the problems, after starting to crunch Einstein again, I had made the first setting change.
As for the second suggestion, I would have to re-boot every time I want to restart BOINC. If I stop it, BOINC will no longer make a connection with the localhost when trying to re-start. If I snooze BOINC, the science clients will not go back to work, even though BOINC tells me they are running. I verified this with task manager and found no clients running. The only way I can get it to re-connect and working again is to re-boot.
My solution is simple: I am making this post on my Linux PC, with BOINC running, crunching some last minute WUs I got from SETI. Other than the system, BOINC is the only thing running on my i7. If I have to do something on the i7, that I cannot do on this PC, I will shut down BOINC, do what I need to do, then when done, re-boot to get BOINC started again. I will do this until the last Einstein WU has completed. Then I will resume doing what I would normally be doing on the i7 and see if the problem go away. If it does, no more Einstein, if not, well, then I will have to dig deeper to find a cause for the problem. I did not have this drastic a problem with running SETI. I have had minor ones, but nothing that affected my whole system.
And by the way, Mikey, I'm not a n00b at running BOINC or any program on a PC. I know to click "OK" when changing a setting or whatever. I've been working with computers since the dark days of M$-DOG. ;)
Thank you for your suggestions! :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :)
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]
RE: RE: This part " I
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Greetings Gundolf,
I have those 2 settings set to 50% and 90% respectively. I was using those settings to help regulate the CPU temp before I got my liquid CPU cooler. I only lowered the first one to 50% when I discovered this problem after starting with Einstein again. Would lowering the second one also be of some possible help?
Thanks for the suggestion. :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :)
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]