Take a recent example of automotive automation : I own a Mitsubishi Outlander which has all manner of collision detection functions from auto-braking if the car in front suddenly slows ( or the one in front of that one etc ), to lane deviation detection, lane change collisions, and parking proximity alerts. Sounds good right ? Well just try going through a McDonald's drive through* then ! It just can't cope with close proximity to other cars, bollards and buildings and fires off all sorts of distracting beeps and squeaks. I'll have to reduce it's paranoia level to get some peace, or alternatively not do drive throughs.
Cheers, Mike.
My wife owns a Mercedes GLC-300 and it has that stuff on it as well, I was driving in the middle of a Sunny day thru a small town with windy 2 lanes in each direction roads and the car slammed on the brakes as I was going around a corner in the inside lane about 15 behind and to the left of a tractor trailer, turns out the very shiny mud flaps told the sensor that we were going to crash. We were all doing about 50mph and everyone was being nice about staying in their own lanes etc but the car trying to stop in the middle of the road with a whole line of cars behind me was not a good thing.The shiny mud flaps on the truck interfered sooo much with the cars safety sensors that I had to back off until we got to a straight section where I could pass him and then stay in front. We took it to the dealer and they said 'oh it's common but there's nothing you can do about it', it's now in the back of our minds as we drive always on the lookout for shiny objects.
Yep, it's disturbing that there's no workaround for the use case 'shiny objects ahead' not considered during design. You now have to anticipate the faulty behaviour of a safety feature. This is the sort of cognitive overhead I'm talking about.
Let's not forget the tragedy of front seat passenger side airbags if you have a child there and you have even a minor deceleration. The inflation rate was so high that the bag hit the forehead of some children resulting in death. Now the front passenger side seat weighs the occupant and the airbag at the glove compartment is disabled. Plus the bags now inflate in two stages - quite fast to about 1/2 full, then a slower rate to a full bag. But those changes came about eventually though after the father of one dead child triggered a campaign for it. Let's see what ChatGPT says :
There was a problem with front passenger airbags in some cars that caused lethal head injuries in some children. Can you tell me how the solution came about ?
You're referring to a major issue with airbags in vehicles that resulted in several reported cases of serious head injuries and deaths of children, particularly in front passenger seats. This issue was caused by the airbags deploying with too much force, causing blunt trauma to the head and neck.
The solution to this problem came about through a combination of factors, including increased awareness and advocacy, new regulations, and technological advancements.
One important step was the introduction of new regulations by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) that required automakers to equip all new vehicles with advanced airbags designed to deploy with less force and better protect passengers, particularly children and small adults.
Automakers also responded by investing in the development of new airbag technology, including those that use sensors to determine the size and position of the occupants in the front seats and adjust the airbag deployment accordingly. This has helped to reduce the risk of injury in the event of a crash.
In addition to these regulatory and technological solutions, advocacy groups and consumer organizations have also played a crucial role in raising awareness about the issue and advocating for change. Through their efforts, they have helped to educate the public about the dangers posed by traditional airbags and the importance of using appropriate car seats and restraints for children.
Overall, the solution to the problem of lethal head injuries caused by airbags in vehicles required a collaborative effort from various stakeholders, including regulators, automakers, and advocacy groups.
Hmmm .... put politely enough I suppose.
I recall a study in Australia done several decades ago which was an analysis of lethal collisions on country roads. It turns out that a major scenario is the car leaving the road and hitting a tree. No surprise there. However the author of the report ( a professor ) then recommended that all trees within 10 metres of the skirt of the road be removed ! How impractical and how many trees would that be ? There's no way that could be done. In any case it missed the really obvious point that even if his 'solution' was implemented a car leaving the road would simply hit trees at the eleven metre point !
I did a considerable amount of emergency resuscitation of road trauma victims in rural areas when I was a younger man : cars hitting trees or other stationary features, the T-bone where there is intrusion into the passenger compartment from one side and of course the dreaded head-on smash. What impressed me most was the number of times that this occurred on basically straight roads, with unimpaired and experienced drivers in good weather conditions. Disproportionately it occurs to young people with alcohol, excessive speed, the male gender and a wet road surface. But velocity was still the major ( direct ) culprit and re-inforced my view that humans don't have the neurology ( sufficiently fast responses ) for safe driving over about say, the gallop speed of a horse. That has been partly recognised and the result is the absorption/deflection of energy by disassembling cars in stages around the cabin during collisions. IMHO I think it is a shame that speed restriction, as a design feature, has not been emphasised. Probably wouldn't sell cars well I expect and in any event it's always someone else who will have the accident eh ? But the kinetic energy goes quadratically with speed and thus even a modest reduction from 100 km/h would reap dividends. You can nearly halve the KE by going to 75 km/h, say*.
Enough said. I could go on for days on this topic and don't get me started on mobile phones !
Cheers, Mike.
* ( 75/100 )2 = (3/4)2 = 9/16 = 0.5625
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
My wife owns a Mercedes GLC-300 and it has that stuff on it as well, I was driving in the middle of a Sunny day thru a small town with windy 2 lanes in each direction roads and the car slammed on the brakes as I was going around a corner in the inside lane about 15 behind and to the left of a tractor trailer, turns out the very shiny mud flaps told the sensor that we were going to crash. We were all doing about 50mph and everyone was being nice about staying in their own lanes etc but the car trying to stop in the middle of the road with a whole line of cars behind me was not a good thing.The shiny mud flaps on the truck interfered sooo much with the cars safety sensors that I had to back off until we got to a straight section where I could pass him and then stay in front. We took it to the dealer and they said 'oh it's common but there's nothing you can do about it', it's now in the back of our minds as we drive always on the lookout for shiny objects.
LOL. That's why I'm driving an old Saab 9-5. And it's really me, that controls the thing, not some bunch of computer software which programmers have no clue of the realities out there. They use simulations and models in their artificial world. As soon as a computer can drive a car as smoothly and predictably on a crowded german Autobahn or along a narrow track (built for donkeys centuries ago) in southern italian villages as me, then I would consider buying such a car. Eventually.
I think you self driving on the Autobahn will be here alot sooner than your donkey trails...LOL
I've been in Italy and you guys are CRAZY when you drive in town, I took taxis everywhere I was in the US Navy, and the taxi bumping the car in front of it to faster while doing 100KPH was not easy to get used too!! Nor were those TINY roads and TINY cars as well.
But the kinetic energy goes quadratically with speed and thus even a modest reduction from 100 km/h would reap dividends. You can nearly halve the KE by going to 75 km/h, say*.
My comment is way off topic for ChatGPT, but not very far from the preceding diversion.
During WWII the USA imposed a nationwide speed limit of 35 mph with the goal of reducing gasoline consumption and prolonging tire life (saving motorists' lives in collisions was not mentioned).
In that time my father was a chemical engineer working for Phillips Petroleum which had him traveling Texas highways far from the family house in Bartlesville Oklahoma as he worked to get production up at various facilities (my guess is they were making components of AvGas, but he did not mention that point).
The speed limit story goes like this. One day Dad was driving along the emptiness, obediently going 35 mph, when he noticed a state trooper was tailing him. They went on for a few miles, after which the trooper waved him over to the side of the road. As my Dad queried what was wrong as he was obeying the limit, the trooper impatiently interrupted with "Son, you'll never get anywhere out here going that slow", and sent him on his way.
To get back to ChatGPT, I asked ChatGPT about "Victory Speed", which was a name applied to the 35 mph limit. But ChatGPT came up with a use as a slogan for pushing for higher output in factories and construction projects. It did know about the national speed limit when asked more directly.
Well ChatGPT Plus is at capacity now and I can't login. It seems the demand is hammering them. So much for priority access ! It could turn out to be a Coke vs Pepsi thing ie. you use Google when ChatGPT is down. ;-)
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Well ChatGPT Plus is at capacity now and I can't login. It seems the demand is hammering them. So much for priority access ! It could turn out to be a Coke vs Pepsi thing ie. you use Google when ChatGPT is down. ;-)
Cheers, Mike.
Could you get into the Google one when you couldn't get into the Chat GPT one? If so and if the cost is too much then not paying could be a good thing. To me it's alot like Twitter paying to be 'verified' means nothing for me as an individual who only uses it once a week at most.
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
mikey wrote:Mike Hewson
)
Yep, it's disturbing that there's no workaround for the use case 'shiny objects ahead' not considered during design. You now have to anticipate the faulty behaviour of a safety feature. This is the sort of cognitive overhead I'm talking about.
Let's not forget the tragedy of front seat passenger side airbags if you have a child there and you have even a minor deceleration. The inflation rate was so high that the bag hit the forehead of some children resulting in death. Now the front passenger side seat weighs the occupant and the airbag at the glove compartment is disabled. Plus the bags now inflate in two stages - quite fast to about 1/2 full, then a slower rate to a full bag. But those changes came about eventually though after the father of one dead child triggered a campaign for it. Let's see what ChatGPT says :
There was a problem with front passenger airbags in some cars that caused lethal head injuries in some children. Can you tell me how the solution came about ?
You're referring to a major issue with airbags in vehicles that resulted in several reported cases of serious head injuries and deaths of children, particularly in front passenger seats. This issue was caused by the airbags deploying with too much force, causing blunt trauma to the head and neck.
The solution to this problem came about through a combination of factors, including increased awareness and advocacy, new regulations, and technological advancements.
One important step was the introduction of new regulations by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) that required automakers to equip all new vehicles with advanced airbags designed to deploy with less force and better protect passengers, particularly children and small adults.
Automakers also responded by investing in the development of new airbag technology, including those that use sensors to determine the size and position of the occupants in the front seats and adjust the airbag deployment accordingly. This has helped to reduce the risk of injury in the event of a crash.
In addition to these regulatory and technological solutions, advocacy groups and consumer organizations have also played a crucial role in raising awareness about the issue and advocating for change. Through their efforts, they have helped to educate the public about the dangers posed by traditional airbags and the importance of using appropriate car seats and restraints for children.
Overall, the solution to the problem of lethal head injuries caused by airbags in vehicles required a collaborative effort from various stakeholders, including regulators, automakers, and advocacy groups.
Hmmm .... put politely enough I suppose.
I recall a study in Australia done several decades ago which was an analysis of lethal collisions on country roads. It turns out that a major scenario is the car leaving the road and hitting a tree. No surprise there. However the author of the report ( a professor ) then recommended that all trees within 10 metres of the skirt of the road be removed ! How impractical and how many trees would that be ? There's no way that could be done. In any case it missed the really obvious point that even if his 'solution' was implemented a car leaving the road would simply hit trees at the eleven metre point !
I did a considerable amount of emergency resuscitation of road trauma victims in rural areas when I was a younger man : cars hitting trees or other stationary features, the T-bone where there is intrusion into the passenger compartment from one side and of course the dreaded head-on smash. What impressed me most was the number of times that this occurred on basically straight roads, with unimpaired and experienced drivers in good weather conditions. Disproportionately it occurs to young people with alcohol, excessive speed, the male gender and a wet road surface. But velocity was still the major ( direct ) culprit and re-inforced my view that humans don't have the neurology ( sufficiently fast responses ) for safe driving over about say, the gallop speed of a horse. That has been partly recognised and the result is the absorption/deflection of energy by disassembling cars in stages around the cabin during collisions. IMHO I think it is a shame that speed restriction, as a design feature, has not been emphasised. Probably wouldn't sell cars well I expect and in any event it's always someone else who will have the accident eh ? But the kinetic energy goes quadratically with speed and thus even a modest reduction from 100 km/h would reap dividends. You can nearly halve the KE by going to 75 km/h, say*.
Enough said. I could go on for days on this topic and don't get me started on mobile phones !
Cheers, Mike.
* ( 75/100 )2 = (3/4)2 = 9/16 = 0.5625
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Scrooge McDuck wrote: mikey
)
I think you self driving on the Autobahn will be here alot sooner than your donkey trails...LOL
I've been in Italy and you guys are CRAZY when you drive in town, I took taxis everywhere I was in the US Navy, and the taxi bumping the car in front of it to faster while doing 100KPH was not easy to get used too!! Nor were those TINY roads and TINY cars as well.
Mike Hewson wrote: But the
)
My comment is way off topic for ChatGPT, but not very far from the preceding diversion.
During WWII the USA imposed a nationwide speed limit of 35 mph with the goal of reducing gasoline consumption and prolonging tire life (saving motorists' lives in collisions was not mentioned).
In that time my father was a chemical engineer working for Phillips Petroleum which had him traveling Texas highways far from the family house in Bartlesville Oklahoma as he worked to get production up at various facilities (my guess is they were making components of AvGas, but he did not mention that point).
The speed limit story goes like this. One day Dad was driving along the emptiness, obediently going 35 mph, when he noticed a state trooper was tailing him. They went on for a few miles, after which the trooper waved him over to the side of the road. As my Dad queried what was wrong as he was obeying the limit, the trooper impatiently interrupted with "Son, you'll never get anywhere out here going that slow", and sent him on his way.
To get back to ChatGPT, I asked ChatGPT about "Victory Speed", which was a name applied to the 35 mph limit. But ChatGPT came up with a use as a slogan for pushing for higher output in factories and construction projects. It did know about the national speed limit when asked more directly.
Take a look at Tom Scott's
)
Take a look at Tom Scott's latest. I tried using AI. It scared me., about 15mins.
Well Chat GPT Plus is at
)
Well ChatGPT Plus is at capacity now and I can't login. It seems the demand is hammering them. So much for priority access ! It could turn out to be a Coke vs Pepsi thing ie. you use Google when ChatGPT is down. ;-)
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Mike Hewson wrote: Well
)
Could you get into the Google one when you couldn't get into the Chat GPT one? If so and if the cost is too much then not paying could be a good thing. To me it's alot like Twitter paying to be 'verified' means nothing for me as an individual who only uses it once a week at most.
Interesting https://www.to
)
Interesting
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/running-your-own-chatbot-on-a-single-gpu
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!