I gave up and got a copy of windows 10 and the machine is now crunching. I just didn't have the time to put into the research.
We'll see how that 980 does with that old mobo and cpu.
Phil
Edit: I still have Linux on my other machines, we'll see if the linux guys can catch up a bit and make it easier.
The 'problem' with Linux is that it takes time to learn and isn't as 'easy' as Windows is for long time Windows users. A few years ago my wife got a Mac laptop and it was a nightmare for her until a long time Mac guy sat down with her for a couple of hours, then she realized that it's VERY similar is the keystrokes, you just push different keys to make the same things happen. Linux on the other hand still depends on command line commands as opposed to 'just' clicking on things. The one other thing about Linux is all the different versions make it harder for newbies to relate experiences and tricks between each other. I am a LONG time Windows user and will go to Linux if I have too, right now I have 2 machines on Windows 10, all the rest of mine WILL go there, they are all upgradeable, before the 'free' time to do it expires in July I think. If one of them has any problems I will become a Linux user, I kinda like Linux Lite and have gotten my Nvidia 760 gpu's to work with it at at some projects. I have NOT played with it long enough though to get an AMD gpu to work with it though.
If that is what you want this is not the Vegetable Fetish forum, so that's probably not going to happen, well not from me. I could throw a raspberry but that could be misinterpreted as some sort of computer misuse :).
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I gave up and got a copy of windows 10 and the machine is now crunching. I just didn't have the time to put into the research.
Excellent, you were not getting anywhere in either of the two threads, and without diagnostics, help is no more than "try this, try that".
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We'll see how that 980 does with that old mobo and cpu.
Looking ok, considering this is probably the slowest cpu (End-of-life 2011) with the newest GPU i have seen. I see tasks are taking about 9700s. Running x3 i guess?
This host running linux and a 980, is completing tasks in 2800s but suspect that's at x1.
The 'problem' with Linux is that it takes time to learn and isn't as 'easy' as Windows is for long time Windows users.
I was trying to avoid the thread falling into the endless Windows vs (something else) end-stage.
This 'problem' is not just a Linux / Windows thing the same is true for anything such as languages. If you are not fluent, it's a problem especially when things go wrong.
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I have NOT played with it long enough though to get an AMD gpu to work with it though.
It's reasonably easy, there are two or three issues maybe to avoid, but later versions of boinc are better at that. Lite is a Ubuntu LTS release so that is a good start.
I too don't want this to be a Linux vs. Windows argument. Each has it's place.
I've been using Linux for years for my crunchers, and use a Mac for personal stuff. I just don't have the time to research and fix problems when they crop up.
I have a feeling the 980 problem is similar to what was going on with the AMD GPUs running on Linux a couple years back. They would run, you just had to put more effort than usual into making it happen. The 980 problem will resolve itself just like the AMD problem did.
I'm still a huge Linux fan, I just don't have the time right now. The hundred bucks I spent for a copy of Windows got that machine back to crunching for E@H. When funds are available I'll get a new mobo/cpu to run the 980 on and we'll see how it picks up.
Thanks to everyone for all your input. As usual, you guys are awesome.
I too don't want this to be a Linux vs. Windows argument. Each has it's place.
quickly close the thread before anyone notices...
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When funds are available I'll get a new mobo/cpu to run the 980 on and we'll see how it picks up.
There are a number of cheap E5-2660 second hand on the market for around 60 USD each, probably out perform i7-4790K (330 USD at newegg) crunching. Finding the right mobo is a challenge but they really do crunch the cpu tasks.
@Gary - The boinc I was referring to is the same version you are using. 7.2.42.
I tried your suggestions to no avail ....
Phil, I really need to apologise for not paying proper attention and being in too much of a rush when I responded to your problems with an nvidia GTX 980. I remember your adventures with an AMD GPU and Linux some time ago and for some dopey reason I had it fixed in my mind that you were having problems with a high end AMD GPU again rather than a high end nvidia GPU - even though your thread title was very clear on this point :-(.
I'm busy on other pressing matters at the moment and haven't been paying close attention to the boards so I've only just realised I had given irrelevant advice about OpenCL libs - obviously nothing to do with problems on a CUDA GPU. I'm happy for you that you've resolved the problem to your satisfaction. There's nothing worse than having an ongoing brick wall with no clear way forward. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and choose an easier alternate path.
Yes, I'm certainly still using BOINC 7.2.42 and, yes, it's very old and I should be using a more recent version. My distro abandoned BOINC from its repo quite a long time ago but that's not the reason since I've always used the Berkeley version anyway. The main reason I choose to stay with it is that it works fine for the way I want to run - if it ain't broke don't fix it! :-).
It will be quite an exercise to get 90+ machines upgraded when I eventually decide to do so :-).
The 'problem' with Linux is that it takes time to learn and isn't as 'easy' as Windows is for long time Windows users.
I was trying to avoid the thread falling into the endless Windows vs (something else) end-stage.
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This 'problem' is not just a Linux / Windows thing the same is true for anything such as languages. If you are not fluent, it's a problem especially when things go wrong.
AND I TOO hope this thread does NOT go that way either, I LIKE Linux, it's just different, but it can do things my Windows OS does not. It being FREE is also a HUGE plus in my mind!! I would very much like this thread to become a 'how to' to answer the question posed on the subject line. Most of us know how to do it in Windows, but Linux can be a bit more particular for us Linux newbies and any thread that can give pointers makes things easier.
@Mikey: I would love to see a solution posted because I still believe in linux. I just don't have time to pursue it right now. I tried several different flavors of linux and dug in the various forums and there seems to be no easy solution, for now. I fully expect that will change given enough time. If anyone finds it, please post it here for those running higher end Nvidia cards.
@Gary: No need to apologize in my opinion. Things happen, and I figured out what you meant. No harm, no foul. You are one of the most helpful and knowledgable people on here. I almost always learn something from your posts.
@Gary: On the other hand. How DARE you not be perfect. Off with your head!! I"m kidding of course. Just a jab at society, hehe.
Now, where did I leave that sledge hammer, I mean, uh, Windows tweaker algorithm.
Ok, ya'll can throw the
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Ok, ya'll can throw the rotten veggies at me now.
I gave up and got a copy of windows 10 and the machine is now crunching. I just didn't have the time to put into the research.
We'll see how that 980 does with that old mobo and cpu.
Phil
Edit: I still have Linux on my other machines, we'll see if the linux guys can catch up a bit and make it easier.
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
RE: Ok, ya'll can throw the
)
The 'problem' with Linux is that it takes time to learn and isn't as 'easy' as Windows is for long time Windows users. A few years ago my wife got a Mac laptop and it was a nightmare for her until a long time Mac guy sat down with her for a couple of hours, then she realized that it's VERY similar is the keystrokes, you just push different keys to make the same things happen. Linux on the other hand still depends on command line commands as opposed to 'just' clicking on things. The one other thing about Linux is all the different versions make it harder for newbies to relate experiences and tricks between each other. I am a LONG time Windows user and will go to Linux if I have too, right now I have 2 machines on Windows 10, all the rest of mine WILL go there, they are all upgradeable, before the 'free' time to do it expires in July I think. If one of them has any problems I will become a Linux user, I kinda like Linux Lite and have gotten my Nvidia 760 gpu's to work with it at at some projects. I have NOT played with it long enough though to get an AMD gpu to work with it though.
RE: Ok, ya'll can throw the
)
If that is what you want this is not the Vegetable Fetish forum, so that's probably not going to happen, well not from me. I could throw a raspberry but that could be misinterpreted as some sort of computer misuse :).
Excellent, you were not getting anywhere in either of the two threads, and without diagnostics, help is no more than "try this, try that".
Looking ok, considering this is probably the slowest cpu (End-of-life 2011) with the newest GPU i have seen. I see tasks are taking about 9700s. Running x3 i guess?
This host running linux and a 980, is completing tasks in 2800s but suspect that's at x1.
RE: The 'problem' with
)
I was trying to avoid the thread falling into the endless Windows vs (something else) end-stage.
This 'problem' is not just a Linux / Windows thing the same is true for anything such as languages. If you are not fluent, it's a problem especially when things go wrong.
It's reasonably easy, there are two or three issues maybe to avoid, but later versions of boinc are better at that. Lite is a Ubuntu LTS release so that is a good start.
I too don't want this to be a
)
I too don't want this to be a Linux vs. Windows argument. Each has it's place.
I've been using Linux for years for my crunchers, and use a Mac for personal stuff. I just don't have the time to research and fix problems when they crop up.
I have a feeling the 980 problem is similar to what was going on with the AMD GPUs running on Linux a couple years back. They would run, you just had to put more effort than usual into making it happen. The 980 problem will resolve itself just like the AMD problem did.
I'm still a huge Linux fan, I just don't have the time right now. The hundred bucks I spent for a copy of Windows got that machine back to crunching for E@H. When funds are available I'll get a new mobo/cpu to run the 980 on and we'll see how it picks up.
Thanks to everyone for all your input. As usual, you guys are awesome.
Phil
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
RE: I too don't want this
)
quickly close the thread before anyone notices...
There are a number of cheap E5-2660 second hand on the market for around 60 USD each, probably out perform i7-4790K (330 USD at newegg) crunching. Finding the right mobo is a challenge but they really do crunch the cpu tasks.
RE: @Gary - The boinc I was
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Phil, I really need to apologise for not paying proper attention and being in too much of a rush when I responded to your problems with an nvidia GTX 980. I remember your adventures with an AMD GPU and Linux some time ago and for some dopey reason I had it fixed in my mind that you were having problems with a high end AMD GPU again rather than a high end nvidia GPU - even though your thread title was very clear on this point :-(.
I'm busy on other pressing matters at the moment and haven't been paying close attention to the boards so I've only just realised I had given irrelevant advice about OpenCL libs - obviously nothing to do with problems on a CUDA GPU. I'm happy for you that you've resolved the problem to your satisfaction. There's nothing worse than having an ongoing brick wall with no clear way forward. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and choose an easier alternate path.
Yes, I'm certainly still using BOINC 7.2.42 and, yes, it's very old and I should be using a more recent version. My distro abandoned BOINC from its repo quite a long time ago but that's not the reason since I've always used the Berkeley version anyway. The main reason I choose to stay with it is that it works fine for the way I want to run - if it ain't broke don't fix it! :-).
It will be quite an exercise to get 90+ machines upgraded when I eventually decide to do so :-).
Cheers,
Gary.
RE: RE: The 'problem'
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AND I TOO hope this thread does NOT go that way either, I LIKE Linux, it's just different, but it can do things my Windows OS does not. It being FREE is also a HUGE plus in my mind!! I would very much like this thread to become a 'how to' to answer the question posed on the subject line. Most of us know how to do it in Windows, but Linux can be a bit more particular for us Linux newbies and any thread that can give pointers makes things easier.
@Mikey: I would love to see a
)
@Mikey: I would love to see a solution posted because I still believe in linux. I just don't have time to pursue it right now. I tried several different flavors of linux and dug in the various forums and there seems to be no easy solution, for now. I fully expect that will change given enough time. If anyone finds it, please post it here for those running higher end Nvidia cards.
@Gary: No need to apologize in my opinion. Things happen, and I figured out what you meant. No harm, no foul. You are one of the most helpful and knowledgable people on here. I almost always learn something from your posts.
@Gary: On the other hand. How DARE you not be perfect. Off with your head!! I"m kidding of course. Just a jab at society, hehe.
Now, where did I leave that sledge hammer, I mean, uh, Windows tweaker algorithm.
Phil
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.