This seems to be a problem with too many DC projects. Lack of communication between Project honchos and the particpants. People can make all the excuses and / or apologies they want, but frankly it amounts to poor communication.
This seems to be a problem with too many DC projects. Lack of communication between Project honchos and the particpants. People can make all the excuses and / or apologies they want, but frankly it amounts to poor communication.
It is hard to believe that the project staff is not yet aware of the need of this DC community for better communication. It is even harder to figure out why they should have chosen to ignore this need for so long.
As has been pointed out by Sherwood below, the lack of structured communications means that everyone interested has to grasp posts scattered through multiple threads. Not to speak of the frustrated and angry members who flame or post sarcastic comments. Now, what is the Greater Good that is worth this regrettable state of things ?
Look back. Einstein - yes, Albert Einstein. He was also good at communicating, wasn't he ?
This seems to be a problem with too many DC projects. Lack of communication between Project honchos and the particpants. People can make all the excuses and / or apologies they want, but frankly it amounts to poor communication.
Regarding the communication issue, I was one of first to start asking questions
(complaining) and am in complete agreement with you.
However, for the first time since I joined this project, I began to follow the actual "numbers" in the past week or 10 days and I have to admit it appears to still be working. For the first time in at least a couple of weeks my average has now risen in the past 2 days although my pending credits continued to rise.
The problem as I'm sure most participates are aware of is in the verification process. I have no idea how many times a job has to be "ran" before it is considered to be "finished" and credits move from the pending column into actual credits, but the lag time, for some reason has become greater in verifiing what appears to be a goodly sized number of jobs. It could be they have taken in too many volunteers (there has to be a limit at some point) and are unable to process the results fast enough to "keep up"? I don't know, but would doubt that would be the reason.
But as long as the jobs are being recorded I think I'm just going to wait it out. It makes no sense at all if there are plans to shut down the project, for them to keep providing new work and continue to record the results of work that is being uploaded.
Perhaps we could have a contest: Why is there no communication in 25 words or less.
F. Prefect
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Tell me what is wrong? I think, it is your business to make the project work OK.
It's not a fault at your end, it's at the server end. Alas it seems there will be no quick solution, so my main message is to be patient and have faith. Or to put it differently: just keep hanging on to this project and you'll get some work eventually.
If you run multiple projects then in the meantime your spare CPU cycles will get donated to those automatically. If you don't run other BOINC projects and you want to donate your spare CPU cycles, you could consider attaching to other BOINC projects, currently there are around 30 of them to choose between.
Regarding any expectations of the Einstein@Home people in this project I always remind myself that BOINC projects are all based on voluntary donations from the users' end, with voluntary meaning to me that I do not expect any reward whatsoever apart from the act of giving itself.
OK, I admit, there is also the very slim chance I happen to be the one whose donated cycles made any discovery possible :).
Well, my pending numbers took the largest drop in several weeks today and an average of I suppose my daily "output" made a similar upmove. Glad I didn't go anywhere, but I will remain critical of how the whole thing was handled. I suppose scientists operate on their own clock, although I still can't help but think something else was afoot, but I have no idea of what it may have been. Hopefully things will settle down over the next few weeks and just MAYBE they can keep the slaves just a little better informed.
I would also like to address a couple of replies I made to critisism of my continued effort to get some kind of a statement as was issued today. I apologise to all who were offended which I suspect was just about everyone, but I was simply a little POed that my squeeky wheel technique was not only a failure but I was being critisized for a simple request for information. I was way out of line and in the future will just have to adjust to the administrator's clock, like it or not.
F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams
February 21, 2007
The database problems have been identified but in order to correct them some modifications will be needed on the Einstein@Home back-end components. To effect these modifications, the project will have to be repeatedly taken up and down today. So please be warned: we will have frequent and unscheduled service interruptions while we work on this today.
Not here, the Einstein website here and forums are loading very slowly here and thats with my high speed DSL connection 20 miles from UWM. Einstein@Home's servers and database seems to be working fine now though, according to the Boinc manager messages. I just started using Boinc a few days ago. Its fascinating to be part of this research, if only in a small way.
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This seems to be a problem with too many DC projects. Lack of communication between Project honchos and the particpants. People can make all the excuses and / or apologies they want, but frankly it amounts to poor communication.
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It´s realy great, but this post should be much better placed on the E@H homepage.
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It is hard to believe that the project staff is not yet aware of the need of this DC community for better communication. It is even harder to figure out why they should have chosen to ignore this need for so long.
As has been pointed out by Sherwood below, the lack of structured communications means that everyone interested has to grasp posts scattered through multiple threads. Not to speak of the frustrated and angry members who flame or post sarcastic comments. Now, what is the Greater Good that is worth this regrettable state of things ?
Look back. Einstein - yes, Albert Einstein. He was also good at communicating, wasn't he ?
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So, I spend a lot of time
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So, I spend a lot of time reading all this threads, but I can't find a solution of my problem: BOINC Manager can't download any work from project. I get all the time a message like this:
2007-02-20 10:24:20|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Sending scheduler request to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/EinsteinAtHome_cgi/cgi
2007-02-20 10:24:20|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Reason: Requested by user
2007-02-20 10:24:20|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
2007-02-20 10:26:21|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
2007-02-20 10:26:21|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
or like this:
2007-02-20 10:29:04|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Scheduler list download succeeded
2007-02-20 10:29:04|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Sending scheduler request to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/EinsteinAtHome_cgi/cgi
2007-02-20 10:29:04|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Reason: Requested by user
2007-02-20 10:29:04|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
2007-02-20 10:29:07|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Scheduler request succeeded
2007-02-20 10:29:07|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Message from server: Server can't open database
2007-02-20 10:29:07|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Resetting project
2007-02-20 10:29:07||Rescheduling CPU: exit_tasks
2007-02-20 10:29:07|http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/|Detaching from project
Tell me what is wrong? I think, it is your business to make the project work OK.
RE: This seems to be a
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Regarding the communication issue, I was one of first to start asking questions
(complaining) and am in complete agreement with you.
However, for the first time since I joined this project, I began to follow the actual "numbers" in the past week or 10 days and I have to admit it appears to still be working. For the first time in at least a couple of weeks my average has now risen in the past 2 days although my pending credits continued to rise.
The problem as I'm sure most participates are aware of is in the verification process. I have no idea how many times a job has to be "ran" before it is considered to be "finished" and credits move from the pending column into actual credits, but the lag time, for some reason has become greater in verifiing what appears to be a goodly sized number of jobs. It could be they have taken in too many volunteers (there has to be a limit at some point) and are unable to process the results fast enough to "keep up"? I don't know, but would doubt that would be the reason.
But as long as the jobs are being recorded I think I'm just going to wait it out. It makes no sense at all if there are plans to shut down the project, for them to keep providing new work and continue to record the results of work that is being uploaded.
Perhaps we could have a contest: Why is there no communication in 25 words or less.
F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams
Read home page, an update was
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Read home page, an update was put there, today.
RE: So, I spend a lot of
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It's not a fault at your end, it's at the server end. Alas it seems there will be no quick solution, so my main message is to be patient and have faith. Or to put it differently: just keep hanging on to this project and you'll get some work eventually.
If you run multiple projects then in the meantime your spare CPU cycles will get donated to those automatically. If you don't run other BOINC projects and you want to donate your spare CPU cycles, you could consider attaching to other BOINC projects, currently there are around 30 of them to choose between.
Regarding any expectations of the Einstein@Home people in this project I always remind myself that BOINC projects are all based on voluntary donations from the users' end, with voluntary meaning to me that I do not expect any reward whatsoever apart from the act of giving itself.
OK, I admit, there is also the very slim chance I happen to be the one whose donated cycles made any discovery possible :).
[edit] had to add that smile... [/edit]
Make tea, not coffee !
RE: Read home page, an
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Well, my pending numbers took the largest drop in several weeks today and an average of I suppose my daily "output" made a similar upmove. Glad I didn't go anywhere, but I will remain critical of how the whole thing was handled. I suppose scientists operate on their own clock, although I still can't help but think something else was afoot, but I have no idea of what it may have been. Hopefully things will settle down over the next few weeks and just MAYBE they can keep the slaves just a little better informed.
I would also like to address a couple of replies I made to critisism of my continued effort to get some kind of a statement as was issued today. I apologise to all who were offended which I suspect was just about everyone, but I was simply a little POed that my squeeky wheel technique was not only a failure but I was being critisized for a simple request for information. I was way out of line and in the future will just have to adjust to the administrator's clock, like it or not.
F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams
Excellent
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Excellent News:
Pages are loading extremely fast.
Not here, the Einstein
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Not here, the Einstein website here and forums are loading very slowly here and thats with my high speed DSL connection 20 miles from UWM. Einstein@Home's servers and database seems to be working fine now though, according to the Boinc manager messages. I just started using Boinc a few days ago. Its fascinating to be part of this research, if only in a small way.
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