Why not more? Because I feel more atracted to those 3 and not to the others.
Am I doing it for credits, no.
Why am I doing it: for the science on one side, for having my PC doing something rather then staying there and doing nothing (better have a PC running then start him and then shut him down all over the time).
Therefore, I don't do it for earning credits. Credits are nice things, but it is not my primary goal at all.
> As a matter of fact, I don't know of any alph/beta testers who don't do work
> for other projects, and if it were about the Credit, then why would I or
> anyone else give up CPU cycles to Einstein, when we could be advancing our
> Seti, Protein Predictor, or CPDN positions. Can you answer that???
>
> tony
>
I can see that credit matter to some. After all they post those strange little boxes of points and some other unknown projects as though they are trying to show their credits to others.
It is not that I don't think that testers are important. It is just that if the system wants to attract people who are competitive, they would not let some select groups get such a head start. Again, what competitive sports person would want to enter races where others are given a month head start? can you answer that???
Perhaps there should be a not for credit group somewhere.
> I can see that credit matter to some. After all they post those strange
> little boxes of points and some other unknown projects as though they are
> trying to show their credits to others.
Yes, they do matter, If you saw that I had 6 credits on Einstein, what credibility would you give my advice? THe more credit the more time invested.
>
> It is not that I don't think that testers are important. It is just that if
> the system wants to attract people who are competitive, they would not let
> some select groups get such a head start. Again, what competitive sports
> person would want to enter races where others are given a month head start?
> can you answer that???
>
Again, Click on my name in the left column, then click on Computers, and you'll see my fastest puter is an Athlon Xp2200. A ten year old with a new system will quickly overtake me. Sheesh, Also, i could stick to one project and not divide up my CPU time with the other projects. Hell, I could not volunteer my equipment, time and money (parts/electricity) to Alpha/Beta testing and that too would help my position.
Get a grip, get over it, grab crying towel. This conversation is over.
Congratulations, in all the years I've done this, I've never felt the need to say this to someone.
> Dennis,
>
> I > I'm offended by your statement.
>
> tony
I am sorry , I did not want to offend.
I just do not yet understand all this claiming ( I made no claims, the system just says that), I did not know that my points are based on others work and not just my own efforts, and that there seems to be some "point culture" that spreads to projects other than this one.
Please write me off as someone that "dosen't have a clue". If it was me, I would vote to have no points at all and would prefer to have updates on the progress of the work and the theories behind the calculations, or access to the scientific papers that come from the project.
Hah this project got launched yesterday and people are already worried about credits, even though they cannot be used to buy anything, and theres no level system, no skills, basically I see people worried about a number not counting up fast enough
It's not that complicated. A work unit is sent to 4 computers each having similar characteristics such as operating system, yours being one of them. You each return the work unit. Of the 4 work units, the highest score and the lowest score is dropped and the credit granted is the average of the remaining 2. This is to verify the validity of the results and prevent cheating. That's another reason why it takes a bit of time.
On the "winning" thing. It's not a competition, not everyone crunches 24x7 or even runs the program in the background all the time. The credits are just a way to see what you've done and enjoy doing the work. Most of the individuals with very high stats have many machines crunching for them, so start up a team (this is easy to do) and get your friends enlisted and start crunching. Sign up your family under your user ID. It's all about having fun and being part of a great community and learning a bit about the science of each project you're crunching for. You'll find there are some really cool people here.
Enjoy and welcome to E@H! ;-)
By the way, you'll never get ahead of me! Hahaha... just kidding welcome aboard!
> Again, Click on my name in the left column, then click on Computers, and
> you'll see my fastest puter is an Athlon Xp2200. A ten year old with a new
> system will quickly overtake me. Sheesh, Also, i could stick to one project
> and not divide up my CPU time with the other projects. Hell, I could not
> volunteer my equipment, time and money (parts/electricity) to Alpha/Beta
> testing and that too would help my position.
>
> Get a grip, get over it, grab crying towel. This conversation is over.
>
> Congratulations, in all the years I've done this, I've never felt the need to
> say this to someone.
Well said, mmciastro. :)
I've been in the project for about a month now too, and actually, if you want to dig back in the threads, I even suggested resetting the alpha/beta-testers accounts to zero before going fully public. But I can see the point that those same testers deserve some credit for having dealt with the problems and bugs..and there've been some doozies.
If folks don't like the fact that some people got a "head start", they have a couple options - they can: a) whine about it and stay/leave, or b) accept it as a challenge to "be on top" and press on regardless. Lemons or lemonade? Your choice.
"Chance is irrelevant. We will succeed."
- Seven of Nine
>
> I've been in the project for about a month now too, and actually, if you want
> to dig back in the threads, I even suggested resetting the alpha/beta-testers
> accounts to zero before going fully public. But I can see the point that
> those same testers deserve some credit for having dealt with the problems and
> bugs..and there've been some doozies.
>
> If folks don't like the fact that some people got a "head start", they have a
> couple options - they can: a) whine about it and stay/leave, or b) accept it
> as a challenge to "be on top" and press on regardless. Lemons or lemonade?
> Your choice.
>
>
I think I will pick a third option - forget all the points, and ignore those that post their points on the discussions and ignore them when they say we should listen to them more because they have more points than someone else.
We do try to have a monthly meeting but it's not been on a regular date lately; since the group is currently small and we see each other a couple times a week it's been easy to keep abreast of happenings. I'm expecting a couple connectors to arrive this week and then I'll have my VLF antennaes up and running. If you'd like, drop an email to "inquire@grro.org" and I can let you know the date of the next meeting. :)
Dennis, I have an idea as to what you can do with your own points.
"Chance is irrelevant. We will succeed."
- Seven of Nine
I'm participating in 3
)
I'm participating in 3 projects for the moment.
Why not more? Because I feel more atracted to those 3 and not to the others.
Am I doing it for credits, no.
Why am I doing it: for the science on one side, for having my PC doing something rather then staying there and doing nothing (better have a PC running then start him and then shut him down all over the time).
Therefore, I don't do it for earning credits. Credits are nice things, but it is not my primary goal at all.
Greetings from Belgium
Thierry
> As a matter of fact, I
)
> As a matter of fact, I don't know of any alph/beta testers who don't do work
> for other projects, and if it were about the Credit, then why would I or
> anyone else give up CPU cycles to Einstein, when we could be advancing our
> Seti, Protein Predictor, or CPDN positions. Can you answer that???
>
> tony
>
I can see that credit matter to some. After all they post those strange little boxes of points and some other unknown projects as though they are trying to show their credits to others.
It is not that I don't think that testers are important. It is just that if the system wants to attract people who are competitive, they would not let some select groups get such a head start. Again, what competitive sports person would want to enter races where others are given a month head start? can you answer that???
Perhaps there should be a not for credit group somewhere.
> I can see that credit
)
> I can see that credit matter to some. After all they post those strange
> little boxes of points and some other unknown projects as though they are
> trying to show their credits to others.
Yes, they do matter, If you saw that I had 6 credits on Einstein, what credibility would you give my advice? THe more credit the more time invested.
>
> It is not that I don't think that testers are important. It is just that if
> the system wants to attract people who are competitive, they would not let
> some select groups get such a head start. Again, what competitive sports
> person would want to enter races where others are given a month head start?
> can you answer that???
>
Again, Click on my name in the left column, then click on Computers, and you'll see my fastest puter is an Athlon Xp2200. A ten year old with a new system will quickly overtake me. Sheesh, Also, i could stick to one project and not divide up my CPU time with the other projects. Hell, I could not volunteer my equipment, time and money (parts/electricity) to Alpha/Beta testing and that too would help my position.
Get a grip, get over it, grab crying towel. This conversation is over.
Congratulations, in all the years I've done this, I've never felt the need to say this to someone.
bye
> Dennis, > > I > I'm
)
> Dennis,
>
> I > I'm offended by your statement.
>
> tony
I am sorry , I did not want to offend.
I just do not yet understand all this claiming ( I made no claims, the system just says that), I did not know that my points are based on others work and not just my own efforts, and that there seems to be some "point culture" that spreads to projects other than this one.
Please write me off as someone that "dosen't have a clue". If it was me, I would vote to have no points at all and would prefer to have updates on the progress of the work and the theories behind the calculations, or access to the scientific papers that come from the project.
Hah this project got launched
)
Hah this project got launched yesterday and people are already worried about credits, even though they cannot be used to buy anything, and theres no level system, no skills, basically I see people worried about a number not counting up fast enough
Distributed computing is not Progress Quest!
It's not that complicated. A
)
It's not that complicated. A work unit is sent to 4 computers each having similar characteristics such as operating system, yours being one of them. You each return the work unit. Of the 4 work units, the highest score and the lowest score is dropped and the credit granted is the average of the remaining 2. This is to verify the validity of the results and prevent cheating. That's another reason why it takes a bit of time.
On the "winning" thing. It's not a competition, not everyone crunches 24x7 or even runs the program in the background all the time. The credits are just a way to see what you've done and enjoy doing the work. Most of the individuals with very high stats have many machines crunching for them, so start up a team (this is easy to do) and get your friends enlisted and start crunching. Sign up your family under your user ID. It's all about having fun and being part of a great community and learning a bit about the science of each project you're crunching for. You'll find there are some really cool people here.
Enjoy and welcome to E@H! ;-)
By the way, you'll never get ahead of me! Hahaha... just kidding welcome aboard!
> Again, Click on my name in
)
> Again, Click on my name in the left column, then click on Computers, and
> you'll see my fastest puter is an Athlon Xp2200. A ten year old with a new
> system will quickly overtake me. Sheesh, Also, i could stick to one project
> and not divide up my CPU time with the other projects. Hell, I could not
> volunteer my equipment, time and money (parts/electricity) to Alpha/Beta
> testing and that too would help my position.
>
> Get a grip, get over it, grab crying towel. This conversation is over.
>
> Congratulations, in all the years I've done this, I've never felt the need to
> say this to someone.
Well said, mmciastro. :)
I've been in the project for about a month now too, and actually, if you want to dig back in the threads, I even suggested resetting the alpha/beta-testers accounts to zero before going fully public. But I can see the point that those same testers deserve some credit for having dealt with the problems and bugs..and there've been some doozies.
If folks don't like the fact that some people got a "head start", they have a couple options - they can: a) whine about it and stay/leave, or b) accept it as a challenge to "be on top" and press on regardless. Lemons or lemonade? Your choice.
"Chance is irrelevant. We will succeed."
- Seven of Nine
GRRO, I'm going to be in
)
GRRO,
I'm going to be in Kalamazoo in the next couple weeks for about a month. Does your club have meetings?
tony
> > I've been in the project
)
>
> I've been in the project for about a month now too, and actually, if you want
> to dig back in the threads, I even suggested resetting the alpha/beta-testers
> accounts to zero before going fully public. But I can see the point that
> those same testers deserve some credit for having dealt with the problems and
> bugs..and there've been some doozies.
>
> If folks don't like the fact that some people got a "head start", they have a
> couple options - they can: a) whine about it and stay/leave, or b) accept it
> as a challenge to "be on top" and press on regardless. Lemons or lemonade?
> Your choice.
>
>
I think I will pick a third option - forget all the points, and ignore those that post their points on the discussions and ignore them when they say we should listen to them more because they have more points than someone else.
mmciastro, We do try to
)
mmciastro,
We do try to have a monthly meeting but it's not been on a regular date lately; since the group is currently small and we see each other a couple times a week it's been easy to keep abreast of happenings. I'm expecting a couple connectors to arrive this week and then I'll have my VLF antennaes up and running. If you'd like, drop an email to "inquire@grro.org" and I can let you know the date of the next meeting. :)
Dennis, I have an idea as to what you can do with your own points.
"Chance is irrelevant. We will succeed."
- Seven of Nine